Updated: On FareCast: Rip Me Off No More
Second Update: Hugh has given us unlimited invites (thanks Hugh!) and a process for making this easy. I'll have this done asap.
Most likely you are painfully aware of how bizarre and seemingly inscrutable the pricing schemes are for airline travel. One day you might get a fare from SF to Boston for $400, the next it's $335, and the day after that it's $500. Why? Well, airlines have shitloads of data about historical pricing; they understand the supply and demand curves for every market, and they know when they need to sell more seats, boost margins, or compete to win business. They take advantage of all that data to push a price at you that suits them, and they're very, very good at leveraging algorithms to drive maximum revenue. It's frustrating as hell to use an online service like Expedia to try to beat the airlines at their own game - it simply isn't the right interface. Not to mention, Expedia's real customers are the travel companies - not you.
I got a chance to talk to Farecast founder Hugh Crean earlier last week, right before I penned this missive on not being able to do reviews. And in fact, this is not a review of Farecast, as much as I wish I had time for that. However, Hugh did spend a few minutes showing me around the site, and I found what it does really interesting, though for different reasons that perhaps others might.
You can sign up for the private beta on the homepage, it'll be out later in the year. The basic premise is neat - Farecast pays attention to the market price of all airline fares out of particular cities (it only does Boston and Seattle for now) at all times (it uses an industry data feed that, unfortunately, does not include Southwest). It then uses this data to help forecast when the right time might be for you to buy your ticket (and get the best price). In short, it's a rip off detector for flights. Farecast leverages the power of data to put you back in charge, or at least more in charge.
What Farecast does is shift the power of information back into the consumer's hands, and that's why I like it. I remember when the web was young and the first car buying sites were up and running. Dealers scrambled for that early business, and I bought two cars off the web by forcing dealers in the Bay Area to compete for my business. It really felt like the web was going to change the dynamic of who was in charge in a car buying transaction - because I could force dealers to their best price, I was always going to get the best price. It felt like this would be the model in most large transactions, like travel, loans, etc. Price would stabilize, and folks would differentiate on service, relationship, and approach.
But something funny happened on our way to internet mediated bliss: the big companies figured out how to game our demand. Dealers realized they can make more profit if they cooperate and withhold pricing information from the aggregators, and the aggregators got into bed with the supply side of the equation (if you think AutoByTel or Expedia is on your side, you're kidding yourself). Nowhere is this more true that in how an airline prices its tickets.
I like how Farecast puts the consumer back in control of the data. The interface is very slick and the idea is quite promising. So I very much wish Farecast well, and I'd love to hear about other services which disrupt other markets where access to data is so one sided.
Hugh has given me 25 invitations to the private beta, if you're interested, let me know in comments below.
Update: Hugh has emailed me and upped my invite limit to 150. But give me some time to get them out to you....

Comments
I too got an invite to Farecast but the fact that it is only useful for flights originating SEA or BOS at the moment really kills its usefulness for me, I'm based in CLE.
Love the idea but until their originating airport list opens up a little I am unable to see what everyone is raving about.
FIRST!
John, I want to try it. My fake email is alexthegreatmma@hotmail.com
I travel to apparel trade shows all the time. This would be great.
Would love a beta invite-thx
Would appreciate an invite...thanks!!
I would be delighted to try this out. The powers of the internet to aggregate data and use it to foster competition by empowering customers has long been an interest of mine. I have previously analysed on www.mindthis.net how this is true for airline punctuality.
Thank you.
An invite would be great!
thanks
[sigh] Now, if only someone would do the same sort of thing for the Web.. wouldn't that be a great thing? Imagine a search engine where, after typing your query, you got all sorts of information about trends on the web related to your query: how many new pages on your topic have been added to the web in the past n days? What is the distribution over other query terms that are related/relevant to your query terms? In what clusters do many of the returned results belong?
At the moment, all the big search engines cling bitterly to this dogma about users being lazy and users only wanting to see "the one best" result at the top of the list. They don't understand that sometimes we the searchers want to see the big picture.
As a result, I feel kinda like John.. the web was supposed to change the dynamic of who was in charge.. but it ended up being coopted by big companies. Today when I search for anything of any potential commercial interest on, say, Google, I feel like I am being held hostage by the advertisers in the right column, and the SEOs in the left column. Even if they are white-hat SEOs, they are very good at what they do, and they work for commercial interests, not my for interests. My ability to "take back the web" by controlling the flow of information.. by getting all the good statistics and visualizations and overviews of my topic area.. unmitigated by SEO and advertising.. currently does not exist in any of the major search engines.
It is nice to see yet another company try to shift the balance of power back to the users. I hope this succeeds.
If you have extra invites I'd love one! Keep up the great work on the blog and, as always, thanks for the scoop.
Would love an invite, John. My email is asmythie / ureach com. Thanks
I would absolutely love to try out that beta. Thanks in any case!
would love an invite. thx for the update.
Hi John. I would love to try out farecast.
John,
I'd love on- I would think the guys over at the freakonomics blog would be fascinated by this as well...
http://www.freakonomics.com/blog/
Thanks,
Josh
I would love an invite to Farecast if there are any left.
Thanks,
Jason
I'd love one if possible - thank you.
An invitation to try out Farecast would be great! I have experience forecasting retail sales so it would be very interesting to try out a product forecasting airline prices.
How funny, I was just checking this out yesterday. I would love an invite John, looks like a promising addition for the frequent travel group. Speaking of, have you tried www.cfares.com? Another interesting premise.
Best,
Hank
would very much love to get a beta invite. i'm always looking for a good and new interface.
Hi John, don't know if you are all out of invites. But if you have an extra, I would love one. Thank you!
It would be great to get an invite, I would be interested form an investors standpoint.
Gotta move fast around here. I'd appreciate an invite. Thanks!
If there are any left I'd love an invite. BTW, not sure if you've seen farecompare.com but it seems to have some similar elements.
I'd love an invite, please send one my way. Much appreciated!
I'd love to give this a whirl as I travel quite a bit in the fall and am based in BOS. If there's an invite, I'd be grateful.
Got anymore invites? Thanks!
I'd love an invite!
I'd love an invite. Thanks.
I'm very interested! I've wanted something like this for a long time. The predictor portion looks fantastic.
I just purchased a ticket yesterday, but I'd still like to see how this works. Hit me up!
Yay! An invitation to level the markets! I'd love one!
John, I'm definitely interested in the beta.
Thanks,
Nick
Would love an invite. I have followed pricing on the routes I travel, would love to see how my qualitative perception matches up with this data.
This reminds of a course run by a professor at Imperial College (John Darlington - it was one of his research interests). The idea was that the internet acted a little like a financial market but you had to be really careful about asymetric information (i.e. the seller knows more about the product than the buyer). It sounds like this site would balance out the information available to buyers and sellers in the market. Which in theory would improve market efficiency and prices would be closer to the actual value to the buyers and sellers.
I could use an invite if you have any left. thanks.
John,
I'd like to have an invite too if you have any left.. :)
Thanks,
--Nathan
I'd like an invite if you have not run out :)
John, I'd really appreciate an invite if there are any left!
I'd love an invite if any remain!
OK, you've probably got a long waiting list by now but just in case there's any extra spots, I'd love to check this out.
I'd love an invite as well. I'm from Boston originally, and this would be helpful for me to visit old friends and family more often.
Please send an invite - this looks great. Reminds me of Robert Metcalf's "flyspy.com" which was one of the most popular mashups at Mashup Camp in February.
I hate being 43rd in line for something that only goes to 25!
Nice post John. Good luck to the guys at Farecast
This looks fantastic. It's infuriating to browse for airfare because searches through Expedia and similar sites take so long because the flight information they analyze is so vast. However, by playing around a great deal at various travel sites (and by being willing to leave a few days before or after your ideal date) you can often save around $100 and somtimes more.
I hate the way airlines jack up ticket prices for international tickes for US customers. Try pricing a round-trip ticket from NYC to London and back, and then do it the other way around. The ticket that starts in the UK will cost 25-40% less! This is the same for all international destinations when departing from the US. I think the assumption is that Americans are just willing to pay more for airfare.
I travel frequently, so a tool like this is great interest to me. If you have any more invitations, I'd love one.
Thanks very much! I'm traveling to London at the end of this month.
Please send me an invite--thanks!
I'd appreciate an invite, if possible. Thanks!
Hey, if you have any more invites, I'd really appreciate checking this out. Thanks, Fred.
I'd love to check this site out - I've been looking for just this information recently. Thanks for the update on this!
I'd love an invite John.
Is anyone else skeptical about the real advantage this 'disruption' has for the consumer? Seems like a slick marketing gimmick to me.
if you still have an invite, i'd love one :)
SSShhhhhh!!!!! We need to keep this to ourselves! If everyone starts using this then prices will reach some sort of equilibrium and then we won't get sweet deals anymore. Obviously the airlines can't just have cheap rates for everyone (noticed how many airlines went bankrupt the last 5 years?) so we need other people to pay the high prices so we can pay the low ones.
I'd also love an invite if they're still going. Cheers.
Great intro ,I would love to see how this develops and if Farecast can continue to get all the data from the big airline companies to make this useful for the end consumer.
i would love an invite!
would very much like an invite, if there's any left. thx!
John, looks like I am late, but I would love an invite if possible!
Same here -- looks like I'm too late, but if you get another batch of invites, I'd love one. Thanks!
An invite would be sweet. Thanks!
If you by any chance have an invite left, I'd really appreciate it.
Love your work, as always.
Hey John,
Invite would me much appreciated.
Thanks for all the searchblog goodness.
Huge fan. I've been subscribed to your feed forever.
Invite. Please.
Hi, if you still have an invite, I would love to check one out. Thank you for the excellent, informative blog!
I would love an invite if you still have one to hand out. - Thanks!
as a seattlite - would love an invite if you still have them. thanks for this and a great blog.
If your invites are still open, I'd like one. I travel an average of once a month.
Please pick me! I'd love an invite. Thanks!
I'd like an invite.
It seems like the lack of Southwest in the data feed is not that bad, since they seems to have much more transparent pricing than other airlines.
If you have any left- i would be very happy :)
Love the blog.
This sounds great John. not only I wish them well in the US market, I also hope they become big enough to take on International markets.
I would love to try them out when you get around to this comment. Thanks.
I would be happy to have an invite. Dennis Doughty, disposable email of farecast_beta at k39 dot net.
Thanks John for the mini-review and I would love an invite if there are still some left. As a frequent traveller I too am completely sick of being forced to do a dog and pony show for the airlines EVERY time I need to book a flight.
I would love invite!
Thanks John,
I'd love to try this BETA out. Sounds like a great tool.
Brian
I'd like one of those beta thingies, too, if you have any left.
I'd like an invite please. =)
I'd like one of those beta thingies too, if you have any left. I'm lucky enough to live near Seattle.
I would love an invite. Thanks
My kingdom for an invite!
Please send an invite if you have any remaining. Thanks.
i'll take an invite as well...
An invite would be great, of course. Thanks for taking the timing.
Would love an invite. Thank you, John!
Hi John,
As a devoted follower of your blog, I would love the invite.....
Thanks in advance,
Anand
Thanks for the invite, John - others interested in this might want to give www.kayak.com a visit - it's a good travel meta-search.
I'd love an invite, as well. Thanks for letting us know about this site.
Would appreciate an invite!
Thanks
i would like an invite as well...
regards
shashi
John,
Do you know what FareCast's plan is for making money? I would certainly like to see a good plan--for their sake and ours. We, as consumers, could really use a service like this.
And if you have any invites left, I would love one. Thanks!
Would love an invite John.
I am actually in the travel vertical and I totally agree with your comments on supplier-aggregator relationships.
Airline pricing strategy has long been one of my pet peeves- I'd love to see this service in action if you can spare an invite. Thanks
I would like an invite please if possible thank you
I'd love an invite if you have some left. My disposable email address is bsas-cju7@xemaps.com. I am interested to see whether they are good at telling you whether prices are about to go down. It seems to me that the standard thing is for prices to go up as you approach departure, making it advantageous to buy sooner. The info they could provide that would be useful would be to let you know if it would be better to postpone your purchase a little while (and how long). thanks
interested in a preview/beta account...
Thanks!
Beta Farecast Account invite? Yes Please!
Cheers!
Would love an invite, please.
Thanks!
Appreciate an invite. Thanks!
Invite would be fantastic. Thanks John.
Would appreciate an invite! Thanks. Also enjoyed your book and hearing your speak recently!
John: Send an invite my way if you have a chance. ~Bo
John: I'd really appreciate an invite. I know a lot about the industry, I use to work for a large online travel company. Thanks!
It will be interesting to see how this will couple with fare search (e.g. FareChase, Kayak, Mobissimo) to not only predict when the low fare hits, but also go out and search at that time (and, ideally, then send me an email notification).
I would love an invitation to the Beta if you have one to give. Thanks
I might be too late for an invite, but I'd like one if it's available. Thanks for the tip in any case.
I'm in Seattle, so I'd appreciate an invite!
Would love to get an invitation. I'm shopping for fares from Seattle to LGW/LHR right now at this very moment! :) Thanks!
Hi, John,
I would love an invite! Thanks, and thanks for your great blog...
Greetings,
Love an invite! Thanks muchly, particularly now that it's 150 emails tiring your hands.
I'd really appreciate an invite, thanks!
Won't bother counting up the comments, but I fly into and out of Boston and would love an invite. Thanks!
I would like an invite as well (if there are still any left). Thanks for the great info!
Looks like the comment count thus far is 102. Would love to get the (probably) 103rd invite, if you can get that far. Thanks John..
--Naveen
I would also love an invite! By the way, it also reminds me of FlySpy, though I know I'm not the first to point that out.
If you still have any invites left, I would love one. If not, thanks for the information anyway.
J
John, thanks for the info. If you have any left (or receive any more), I would love an invite.
Best,
Carol
John, as I'm about to purchase tix for a >$1000 flight, an invite would be very helpful. Thanks for sharing the news about this service!
I would enjoy an invite if you happen to have one to spare.
The idea of this simply blows me away in terms of coincidence. I was literally talking about how a site should be created to do this almost 8 hours ago when my girlfriend bought a ticket for this evening to fly to Canada (personal reasons). The price difference from buying it the day of versus buying it in the past was astounding to me simply based upon the product (the seat) and its supposed worth. The upping of the price only leads one to beleive the companies are feeding off desperation, which is always sad in my mind, but supply and demand I guess. Anyway, I have gotten off topic.
Thanks for the post. Interesting idea.
Hi, John, I'd appreciate an invite, if you have an extra lying around. samwaltzjunk (at) mail (dot) com.
would appreciate an invite as i live in Seattle.
John, I'd really like an invite to find out the best time to take my girl to Thailand!
Thanks.
I'm doing lots of travel to Boston at the moment. This would be super handy...
I would love to check this out! Thanks for the great post!
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Hey John,
I'd love to have an invite if you got any left. Sounds like a great service.
Han
I would also like an invite! Sounds very interesting...
hi, thanks for the great post!
Will someone please check SEA-ORD, or SEA-MDW and tell me when the best fares are?
Or if there's an invite left, I'll take one of those instead, and check for someone else.
Thanks again
hi, thanks for the great post!
Will someone please check SEA-ORD, or SEA-MDW and tell me when the best fares are?
Or if there's an invite left, I'll take one of those instead, and check for someone else.
Thanks again
This is very useful. Could I have an invite, please? Thanks.
sounds greast would love to check it out please ....my email is jb939@hotmail.com
John, I would also take an invite please. druidbros/gmail.com.
I travael 100K miles per year and would kill for this service! thanks!
any more invites left? thx for turning us on to this! electro_alchemy/hotmail.com
Ooh... I travel to BOS often enough...
darkdark//gmail.com
thanks!
Just read this, I hope you have one invite left I very much need this. Thanks a million
John
wouldn't mind an invite if there are still enough.
email:
hubert-battellemedia AT uma DOT litech DOT org
I know I'm way to late for this but I would like a invite, please, if there are any left.
I've got all 25 invites left. If you need an invite, just ask me. easton AT knowmoremedia DOT com
I live in Boston and would appreciate an invite to the Farecast Beta. If you have any left, please send one to:
blind_copy_list AT yahoo D0T com
Thanks!
I would appreciate one of those precious invites, please, and I would expect to use it this month.
invite please
I'd love to try out the Farecast Beta -- I fly out of Boston all the time.
I'd love an invite, thanks.
I've already passed out five - y'all are ravenous! 20 invites left.
I'm off to Logan almost as often as I use the T--an invite would be much appreciated!
If you have any invites left, I'd love to grab one. Thank you, "c0ldlimit AT gmail DOT com"
If any invites are left, I'd be v interested in checking Farecast out.
Thanks
Would very much appreciate one of the invitations, if possible. Thank you.
I've already passed out five - y'all are ravenous! 20 invites left. Oh, wait - 19 left.
One please!
I live in Boston and travel frequently; I'd love an invite if there are any left. Thanks so much.
If there is room, add me please!
If any invites are still available, I'd love to try this
if possible, id love a chance for an invite,
thanks
Great article. I love the idea and concept. And its something I used to think Expedia and family did. Do you have any more invites? If so, I'd love to try it. Thanks!
I'd like also an invite for farchase.. if it's possible.
Thank you
Radu
Very interesting. I ran across your blog through BoingBoing.net. If you have any invites left, I would appreciate one.
Thanks!
This sounds right up my alley. If you have any left, an invite please.
Ohh Ohh, I'm a boston flyer too. If you have any left I'd love to try that out. If not, thx for the tip on the cool site, this has been a huge headache for me lately. I was just lamenting how backwards this sales model is. No where else can you fluctuate prices so amazingly and with such seeming lack of reason.
Why do we stand for this? why can it happen? Well, I think it all leads back to the facts that 1) Airlines have very little idea what their doing; which leads to them needing subsidies to keep in the air which leads to 2) they get a lot of money from uncle sam to stay afloat, so they can get things so crucial like a pricing model wrong.
I'm sure there are other reasons, but like you said, I'm glad to see that some one has figured out how to shift that power back to us.
Thanks - Adam
(FLY (@) Monkeyserver (dot) com
I'd love an invite, if there are any more left....
Hey! If you have another invite.... :)
goatpox (at) frontiernet.net
Sorry to further burden you, but I would really like to give it a try. Thanks for distributing this!
I'd love an invite if you still have one!
Id sure like to try this out also, seeing that I travel for my company multiple times a year...
You don't need aggregators to get a good price on a car. You just need phone numbers. The manufacturer's web site produced the phone numbers and I did the rest.
I bought a new car last year from a dealer who was 400 miles from where I live. He had exactly the car I wanted (make/model/color/features). There were two cars that exactly fit my specifications in California and I was able to get the dealers to compete for my business. I got 10% off msrp and some extra features I didn't want tossed in.
Without the web, I never would have been able to find those dealers.
I'd love an invite - thanks!
I would like to try too if there's still room....
I've got 16 invites left. John, you can send some email addresses my way if you're out of invites.
I am a Seattle-based United 1K flier and would love to be a beta user.
Many thinks for the tip on this much needed technology.
I'd like an invite, please. I've got a trip I'm taking in August, and I've been putting off buying my ticket!
This would be great for me living in Boston. If you've got an extra invite I'd sure take it.
I'd be interested in an invite, since I'm based in BOS.
would love an invite. thanks, great blog and great article!
I'd love an invite. Thanks!
I'd love an invite if you've got a spare.
Thanks!
I'd also like an invite.
Thanks,
Wow, i would love an invite too! Thanks!!
Congrats on a super fine idea! I did wonder how to get around some of that airline pricing, know I can know!
Please invite me as I fly out of boston.
Thanks
If you have any invites left, I'd love to get one.
Would appreciate an invite.
thanks
I assume that you are out of invites, but in case you aren't, I would be interested.
Thanks.
Being based in Boston, I would like an invite . Thanks and keep up the great work on this blog!
I would love an invite! Thanks, this is a fantastic idea.
If you still have any invites, I'd like one.<