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	<title>Comments on: First, Software Eats the World, Then, The Mirror World Emerges</title>
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		<title>By: The Future Is Cloudy &#124; John Battelle&#039;s Search Blog</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/07/first-software-eats-the-world-then-the-mirror-world-emerges.php#comment-30551</link>
		<dc:creator>The Future Is Cloudy &#124; John Battelle&#039;s Search Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lot of time thinking about data recently. It&#8217;s not just reading books like The Information or Mirror Worlds (or Super Sad True Love Story, a science fiction novel that is both compelling and scary), [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lot of time thinking about data recently. It&#8217;s not just reading books like The Information or Mirror Worlds (or Super Sad True Love Story, a science fiction novel that is both compelling and scary), [...]</p>
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		<title>By: datron</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/07/first-software-eats-the-world-then-the-mirror-world-emerges.php#comment-30268</link>
		<dc:creator>datron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating John.  Yes, I think this is a terrific frame for looking at the world.  And involves a certain kind of revolutionary thinking.  I wonder if its hard, next to impossible to get one&#039;s arm around such a change if its not embedded in your psyche to begin with.  In other words if you aren&#039;t an Internet native understanding some of what its like to be one is really hard.

Going to the next level, harder.  And that only if you come into the framework without the framework of the old (as a reference point perhaps but not with all the blinders) do you see what the new really means in its new terms.  Although of course Gelerner was prescient.  Food for thought.  

What I do find so disturbing is I think this trend does tend to atomize us.  Its like, just a little bit, the evolution of how Congressmen and Senators operate.  It used to be that there were few staffers and they worked things out so much between each other.  The politics were different but in some ways without so much staff you have to engage directly much more.  And your staff tends to be more ideological than you.  Now there is so much less interaction amongst principals.  That has a big impact.  Working these things out more amongst bites than people is, well, advantageous, but really really scary.  People so often mistake intelligence for wisdom.  We are in a world which is vastly more intelligent than the one of just a few years ago.  But more wise?  And good luck on public policy.  These gizmos give so much power to those who will do everything to avoid restricting them, its almost as if saying you might is like saying they are all Winston Smith&#039;s.  Take care.  Go Bears!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating John.  Yes, I think this is a terrific frame for looking at the world.  And involves a certain kind of revolutionary thinking.  I wonder if its hard, next to impossible to get one&#8217;s arm around such a change if its not embedded in your psyche to begin with.  In other words if you aren&#8217;t an Internet native understanding some of what its like to be one is really hard.</p>
<p>Going to the next level, harder.  And that only if you come into the framework without the framework of the old (as a reference point perhaps but not with all the blinders) do you see what the new really means in its new terms.  Although of course Gelerner was prescient.  Food for thought.  </p>
<p>What I do find so disturbing is I think this trend does tend to atomize us.  Its like, just a little bit, the evolution of how Congressmen and Senators operate.  It used to be that there were few staffers and they worked things out so much between each other.  The politics were different but in some ways without so much staff you have to engage directly much more.  And your staff tends to be more ideological than you.  Now there is so much less interaction amongst principals.  That has a big impact.  Working these things out more amongst bites than people is, well, advantageous, but really really scary.  People so often mistake intelligence for wisdom.  We are in a world which is vastly more intelligent than the one of just a few years ago.  But more wise?  And good luck on public policy.  These gizmos give so much power to those who will do everything to avoid restricting them, its almost as if saying you might is like saying they are all Winston Smith&#8217;s.  Take care.  Go Bears!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops! will try to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops! will try to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: James Ferguson @kWIQly</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ferguson @kWIQly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John - I will have a look.

Meanwhile I must draw your attention to a rather wonderful typo (for a twisted blogging mind like mine)

When I read of a &quot;sic fi graphic novel&quot; (sic);  I assume this is the special sort of sci-fi that becomes real as in def. sic -  thus was it written :)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John &#8211; I will have a look.</p>
<p>Meanwhile I must draw your attention to a rather wonderful typo (for a twisted blogging mind like mine)</p>
<p>When I read of a &#8220;sic fi graphic novel&#8221; (sic);  I assume this is the special sort of sci-fi that becomes real as in def. sic &#8211;  thus was it written <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots to consider there! it&#039;s something Kevin Kelly is thinking a lot about - read his two last books (one is a rather fantastical - and free -  sic fi graphic novel). he thinks robots/AI will get to the point of contemplating their own intelligence, and asking exactly the questions you do. Then what&#039;s truly &quot;human&quot; anymore? Hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots to consider there! it&#8217;s something Kevin Kelly is thinking a lot about &#8211; read his two last books (one is a rather fantastical &#8211; and free &#8211;  sic fi graphic novel). he thinks robots/AI will get to the point of contemplating their own intelligence, and asking exactly the questions you do. Then what&#8217;s truly &#8220;human&#8221; anymore? Hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: James Ferguson @kWIQly</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ferguson @kWIQly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;Turing Boundary&quot; if I may coin a phrase is crucial. Increasingly we cannot in &quot;on-line settings&quot; (ie perceived via technology) distinguish man from machine.

We already see the &quot;prove you are human&quot; sign-in to block bots.  Very soon these will not function.  There must be (if we as humans are to be served by technology) a universal &quot;embedded distinction&quot; convention (or law), between machine and human interest. But insofar as soon as human interest can be digitized (eg the &quot;like&quot;) it must also carry meta-data to support this function.

Failing this is is clear that provision by Asimov for Laws of Robotics to prevent human harm can never be regulated http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html

These rules however came about in a world where machine and man occupied discrete boundaries.  

Here on this blog, playing on-line games, on stock-markets and in battle they no longer do so.

If we cannot distinguish life, we cannot value it, and if we cannot value it are we not doomed to extinguish it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;Turing Boundary&#8221; if I may coin a phrase is crucial. Increasingly we cannot in &#8220;on-line settings&#8221; (ie perceived via technology) distinguish man from machine.</p>
<p>We already see the &#8220;prove you are human&#8221; sign-in to block bots.  Very soon these will not function.  There must be (if we as humans are to be served by technology) a universal &#8220;embedded distinction&#8221; convention (or law), between machine and human interest. But insofar as soon as human interest can be digitized (eg the &#8220;like&#8221;) it must also carry meta-data to support this function.</p>
<p>Failing this is is clear that provision by Asimov for Laws of Robotics to prevent human harm can never be regulated <a href="http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html</a></p>
<p>These rules however came about in a world where machine and man occupied discrete boundaries.  </p>
<p>Here on this blog, playing on-line games, on stock-markets and in battle they no longer do so.</p>
<p>If we cannot distinguish life, we cannot value it, and if we cannot value it are we not doomed to extinguish it?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All questions I hope to address in the book</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All questions I hope to address in the book</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mirror world will reflect the parts of us that is revealed through data eaten by all that software. How will it influence us back? Will it make us reveal more or hide more? How much control will we really have? What power will the data owners have? Who will they be Governments, Corporations, or a new entity altogether. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mirror world will reflect the parts of us that is revealed through data eaten by all that software. How will it influence us back? Will it make us reveal more or hide more? How much control will we really have? What power will the data owners have? Who will they be Governments, Corporations, or a new entity altogether. </p>
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