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	<title>Comments on: Google+: Now Serving 90 Million. But&#8230;Where&#8217;s the Engagement Data!</title>
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		<title>By: Google+ User Engagement Questioned Amid Facebook Rivalry</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/01/google-now-serving-90-million-but-wheres-the-engagement-data.php#comment-29107</link>
		<dc:creator>Google+ User Engagement Questioned Amid Facebook Rivalry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] B&amp;#965t Google+ h&amp;#1072&amp;#1109 t&amp;#959 produce &amp;#1109&amp;#959m&amp;#1077 engagement. A&amp;#1109 John Battelle noted: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Has Google+ Become an Evil Necessity? &#187; Atomic Reach</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/01/google-now-serving-90-million-but-wheres-the-engagement-data.php#comment-27153</link>
		<dc:creator>Has Google+ Become an Evil Necessity? &#187; Atomic Reach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google+. This post look at the conundrum facing brands, and how they need to embrace Google+, while this post questions whether Google+ users are really engaged with the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google+. This post look at the conundrum facing brands, and how they need to embrace Google+, while this post questions whether Google+ users are really engaged with the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver @ VPS Hosting</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/01/google-now-serving-90-million-but-wheres-the-engagement-data.php#comment-27131</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver @ VPS Hosting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Larry Page does never tried to use their Google’s or Google+ user’s suggestions, there are several comments and suggestions on his page about Google, Maps and etc. He just ignored it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Larry Page does never tried to use their Google’s or Google+ user’s suggestions, there are several comments and suggestions on his page about Google, Maps and etc. He just ignored it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As am I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As am I.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to define &quot;last,&quot; it will surely outlast longer that many 
businesses can. Even a 30% drop in referrals from the top search engine 
when almost all people use search to find products can ruin a business .
 

Google is not going to change, unless it becomes a negative in the pres or if they start losing users. The second is unlikely given how users behave and Google&#039;s advertising. The most immediate reason for G+ is that they have reached the max from milking 
search but Wall Street is not happy, they own a part of a $200+billion 
business so the earning need to be huge and growing.


Google is speeding everything up knowing that any investigation, 
fake-negotiations to settle, depositions, pre-trial, trial, appeals etc 
take a good 2-5 years. Google will only change if they lose more by 
doing what they&#039;re doing. They have stopped giving a rat&#039;s *ss for 
anyone and now have openly discarded the &quot;best for the user&quot; defense. 
Arrogance ? Who knows. They can spend billions to buy search or new 
search technologies /small competitors so they are unlikely to lose much
 share, unless their search is shown as fake, as rigged. Right now on every search I tried G+ profiles outrank FB, Twitter and everything. I&#039;m talking about empty Google+ profiles (I suspect pulled from Youtube too) vs very active FB ones. 




The difference between FB and Google is how they started and how is 
Google doing the bait and switch. People go to Google to find stuff and 
leave, Google is little by little keeping more and more and more, while 
claiming to be fair and unbiased. To FB&#039;s credit, they never gained 
their market share by claiming to send you to the best /most relevant 
site for your search term, and then try to keep you within their system.
 



Google knows what&#039;s happening, what people are saying and they are 
trying to delay. They did this with any major update (ironically they 
were after Google&#039;s needed more money for Wall Street) : Say we updated, users are loving it, but keep quiet on what /where /how. A few month later give some false hope to get people 
scrambling. Make sure a few recover months latyer to get some more false hope. 
Eventually people forget while Google profits and moves to the next 
update. 





I am an independent web guy that has seen this for a while. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to define &#8220;last,&#8221; it will surely outlast longer that many<br />
businesses can. Even a 30% drop in referrals from the top search engine<br />
when almost all people use search to find products can ruin a business .</p>
<p>Google is not going to change, unless it becomes a negative in the pres or if they start losing users. The second is unlikely given how users behave and Google&#8217;s advertising. The most immediate reason for G+ is that they have reached the max from milking<br />
search but Wall Street is not happy, they own a part of a $200+billion<br />
business so the earning need to be huge and growing.</p>
<p>Google is speeding everything up knowing that any investigation,<br />
fake-negotiations to settle, depositions, pre-trial, trial, appeals etc<br />
take a good 2-5 years. Google will only change if they lose more by<br />
doing what they&#8217;re doing. They have stopped giving a rat&#8217;s *ss for<br />
anyone and now have openly discarded the &#8220;best for the user&#8221; defense.<br />
Arrogance ? Who knows. They can spend billions to buy search or new<br />
search technologies /small competitors so they are unlikely to lose much<br />
 share, unless their search is shown as fake, as rigged. Right now on every search I tried G+ profiles outrank FB, Twitter and everything. I&#8217;m talking about empty Google+ profiles (I suspect pulled from Youtube too) vs very active FB ones. </p>
<p>The difference between FB and Google is how they started and how is<br />
Google doing the bait and switch. People go to Google to find stuff and<br />
leave, Google is little by little keeping more and more and more, while<br />
claiming to be fair and unbiased. To FB&#8217;s credit, they never gained<br />
their market share by claiming to send you to the best /most relevant<br />
site for your search term, and then try to keep you within their system.</p>
<p>Google knows what&#8217;s happening, what people are saying and they are<br />
trying to delay. They did this with any major update (ironically they<br />
were after Google&#8217;s needed more money for Wall Street) : Say we updated, users are loving it, but keep quiet on what /where /how. A few month later give some false hope to get people<br />
scrambling. Make sure a few recover months latyer to get some more false hope.<br />
Eventually people forget while Google profits and moves to the next<br />
update. </p>
<p>I am an independent web guy that has seen this for a while. </p>
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		<title>By: Facebook To Google: Don&#8217;t Be Evil, Focus On The User &#124; John Battelle&#039;s Search Blog</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/01/google-now-serving-90-million-but-wheres-the-engagement-data.php#comment-27021</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook To Google: Don&#8217;t Be Evil, Focus On The User &#124; John Battelle&#039;s Search Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google+: Now Serving 90 Million. But…Where’s the Engagement Data! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/01/google-now-serving-90-million-but-wheres-the-engagement-data.php#comment-27011</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long we all keep using closed systems, we&#039;ll drive the market and therefore the web to be more closed. And I don&#039;t see that changing without a very radical exodus of users from the current dominant companies. I think that exodus is possible, it will take some fascinating technical and business advances to assist it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long we all keep using closed systems, we&#8217;ll drive the market and therefore the web to be more closed. And I don&#8217;t see that changing without a very radical exodus of users from the current dominant companies. I think that exodus is possible, it will take some fascinating technical and business advances to assist it.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/01/google-now-serving-90-million-but-wheres-the-engagement-data.php#comment-27010</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The typeahead for the verified users in my circles no longer yields links to the Google+ pages for me. This could just be me though... I&#039;ll keep checking it over the next few days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The typeahead for the verified users in my circles no longer yields links to the Google+ pages for me. This could just be me though&#8230; I&#8217;ll keep checking it over the next few days.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can&#039;t last. I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can&#8217;t last. I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first, I felt the same way that you do, Yusri. 

However, I think the long term vision of Google is to use Google+ to direct traffic back to Google products in some cases (see Mike Elgan&#039;s article about his interpretation of Google+ as something other than a social network). In that way, their practices are resembling Facebook&#039;s attempt to be the absorption node for web traffic (e.g.  differential pricing for advertisements that lead users to exit Facebook), money (Facebook credits have an exit fee and that will lead to money staying within the Facebook system in the same way that gift cards work), communication (any closed communication system will ensure that communication doesn&#039;t leave the network), etc...I suspect that Google&#039;s reporting of their numbers does mean that they do not want to speak about engagement within the social network which is mostly likely very variable (see AKB48 for lots of engagement that contrasts with many people&#039;s experiences). However, I suspect that it also means that they building a defensive network topology to protect itself from Facebook&#039;s and others&#039;s design.

If we want a better web, we shouldn&#039;t just aim our criticism at Google. But just as much at all of those companies that are creating successful business models based upon closed ecosystems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first, I felt the same way that you do, Yusri. </p>
<p>However, I think the long term vision of Google is to use Google+ to direct traffic back to Google products in some cases (see Mike Elgan&#8217;s article about his interpretation of Google+ as something other than a social network). In that way, their practices are resembling Facebook&#8217;s attempt to be the absorption node for web traffic (e.g.  differential pricing for advertisements that lead users to exit Facebook), money (Facebook credits have an exit fee and that will lead to money staying within the Facebook system in the same way that gift cards work), communication (any closed communication system will ensure that communication doesn&#8217;t leave the network), etc&#8230;I suspect that Google&#8217;s reporting of their numbers does mean that they do not want to speak about engagement within the social network which is mostly likely very variable (see AKB48 for lots of engagement that contrasts with many people&#8217;s experiences). However, I suspect that it also means that they building a defensive network topology to protect itself from Facebook&#8217;s and others&#8217;s design.</p>
<p>If we want a better web, we shouldn&#8217;t just aim our criticism at Google. But just as much at all of those companies that are creating successful business models based upon closed ecosystems.</p>
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