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	<title>Comments on: The Web IS an OS. Get Over It.</title>
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		<title>By: Matt McKnight</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/09/the_web_is_an_os_get_over_it.php#comment-6622</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt McKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a stupid, stupid name. How is the Web OS different from just the Web?  The less technical term &quot;Platform&quot; is what is primarily used to describe things that lots of other applications run on.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I feel the Web OS terminology is being used by the media to hype up the conflict between Microsoft and Google, by somehow implying that they are directly competing in the operating system market.  This is, of course, ridiculous and confuses things.  The are certainly competing in the Office applications space.  There is a Google OS as well- the Linux based one they run on their servers.  Android is an OS as well. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Stop using it- you&#039;ll make more sense that way.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a stupid, stupid name. How is the Web OS different from just the Web?  The less technical term &#8220;Platform&#8221; is what is primarily used to describe things that lots of other applications run on.  </p>
<p>I feel the Web OS terminology is being used by the media to hype up the conflict between Microsoft and Google, by somehow implying that they are directly competing in the operating system market.  This is, of course, ridiculous and confuses things.  The are certainly competing in the Office applications space.  There is a Google OS as well- the Linux based one they run on their servers.  Android is an OS as well. </p>
<p>Stop using it- you&#8217;ll make more sense that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/09/the_web_is_an_os_get_over_it.php#comment-6621</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the Web has blurred the distinction between operating systems and applications.  Since now the most popular browsers serve as platforms for toolbars and plug-ins as well as client interfaces for server-based applications, pretty much every traditional Computer Science paradigm has been blended into a meta-system that really hasn&#039;t been named or properly defined yet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Web has blurred the distinction between operating systems and applications.  Since now the most popular browsers serve as platforms for toolbars and plug-ins as well as client interfaces for server-based applications, pretty much every traditional Computer Science paradigm has been blended into a meta-system that really hasn&#8217;t been named or properly defined yet.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/09/the_web_is_an_os_get_over_it.php#comment-6620</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Correction: &quot;I could NOT care less about technical purist theories of what an OS is...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: &#8220;I could NOT care less about technical purist theories of what an OS is&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Battelle</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/09/the_web_is_an_os_get_over_it.php#comment-6619</link>
		<dc:creator>John Battelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@laura - You are right. I wrote it quick and dirty, and I fixed the grammar and added an &quot;*&quot; over the &quot;i&quot; so folks won&#039;t be too offended the second time I use the word. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@laura &#8211; You are right. I wrote it quick and dirty, and I fixed the grammar and added an &#8220;*&#8221; over the &#8220;i&#8221; so folks won&#8217;t be too offended the second time I use the word. </p>
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		<title>By: Laura Brown</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/09/the_web_is_an_os_get_over_it.php#comment-6618</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think a pundit like yourself should make the statement &quot;It let&#039;s me operate shit&quot; (containing both a grammatical error and a crude comment). It undermines the gravitas you just gained with a prominent quote in the Los Angeles Times Business Section today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think a pundit like yourself should make the statement &#8220;It let&#8217;s me operate shit&#8221; (containing both a grammatical error and a crude comment). It undermines the gravitas you just gained with a prominent quote in the Los Angeles Times Business Section today.</p>
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		<title>By: N3dd3rwurl</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/09/the_web_is_an_os_get_over_it.php#comment-6617</link>
		<dc:creator>N3dd3rwurl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yon argument is specious - save the English language from speciousnosity!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yon argument is specious &#8211; save the English language from speciousnosity!!!</p>
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		<title>By: vBulletin</title>
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		<dc:creator>vBulletin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;normally i&#039;d dismiss the commentary, but considering that over the past 5 years google has hired the entire original Plan9 team from bell labs (rob pike, sean quinlan et al), one has to consider that the internet as OS model is a very real way of thinking at elgoog, and has been since 2003, not since &#039;chrome&#039; was released - they just need their own browser to get all of their burdensome web apps to work correctly across all platforms, don&#039;t read into it...&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>normally i&#8217;d dismiss the commentary, but considering that over the past 5 years google has hired the entire original Plan9 team from bell labs (rob pike, sean quinlan et al), one has to consider that the internet as OS model is a very real way of thinking at elgoog, and has been since 2003, not since &#8216;chrome&#8217; was released &#8211; they just need their own browser to get all of their burdensome web apps to work correctly across all platforms, don&#8217;t read into it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;But if you think of the OS as a platform to build other applications, then the browser is one hot shit operating system.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I must admit that my first reaction is to think of the OS in the traditional computer science sense.. as a platform for abstracting away hardware so as to allow simpler application development.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But then I got to really thinking about it, and realized: What is the net?  It&#039;s a series of tubes.  Joking.. joking.  But seriously, it&#039;s a set of wires and routers and, well, hardware.  And how are we going to make that hardware run?  Well, IP (internet protocol) is the OS that allows TCP and UDP to run.  TCP and UDP is the OS that allows HTTP and FTP and SMTP and NNTP to run.  And HTTP is the OS that allows chat applications and calenders to run.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So in a way, the &quot;web&quot; OS really does abstract away hardware.. the wires themselves.. from the applications being built on it.  I begrudgingly admit that you really can talk about a web OS in the purist sense.  Only it isn&#039;t just the browser.  It&#039;s the whole stack.. from the browser down through all the HTTP/TCP/IP protocols on which it sits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But then I got to thinking: If the Web is an OS, and we&#039;re really talking about the browser being that component of the OS, then Silicon Valley has to take a collective long, hard look in the mirror, sigh, and realize that Microsoft was right.  Remember, everyone?  When Microsoft was claiming that IE was an &quot;integral part of Windows&quot;?  I think most of us, myself included, balked at such a statement.  &quot;Ridiculous!&quot; we thought to ourselves.  &quot;Windows is an OS.  IE is an application.  Those are different layers of the stack!  IE cannot be an integral part of Windows.  Microsoft is just trying to use its monopoly power to control everything.  The statement itself, about IE being an integral part, has no objective technical or logical merit!&quot;  In fact, to this day Google loves to trot out the &quot;Microsoft is a convicted monopolist&quot; meme, and most of what went into that conviction was their stance around integrating Windows and IE.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, look at what everyone is now claiming.  The browser &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the OS!  It may not be the OS for a single computer, but it is the OS for the network itself.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And so all of Microsoft&#039;s arguments about needing IE to be an integral part of Windows so that they could innovate.. while that logic smacked of pure b.s. to me at the time, in hindsight I think we all have to realize that if Microsoft were trying to become the Web OS, then IE *would* have to be an integral part of Windows.  Not being able to integrate would stop MS&#039;s ability to innovate, exactly as MS claimed.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now there are those of us that still would never want a Microsoft Web.  There are other considerations, such as open standards, etc.  So I&#039;m not giving MS a free pass, here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am simply pointing out that, at the core of their argument, Microsoft was right.  Arrington has all but admitted, above, that they were right.  Google, of all ironies, has also now proved them right.  (I&#039;ve even seen a number of bloggers calling for Google to work directly with chipset manufacturers, so as to be able to ship computers running Chrome, natively on the hardware itself.  If that isn&#039;t a vision of the supreme mashup of OS and web OS, into just that same sort of OS that Microsoft was trying to create by integrating Windows and IE, then I don&#039;t know what is.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Flame away ;-)  (And no, I do not work for Microsoft.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But if you think of the OS as a platform to build other applications, then the browser is one hot shit operating system.</i></p>
<p>I must admit that my first reaction is to think of the OS in the traditional computer science sense.. as a platform for abstracting away hardware so as to allow simpler application development.</p>
<p>But then I got to really thinking about it, and realized: What is the net?  It&#8217;s a series of tubes.  Joking.. joking.  But seriously, it&#8217;s a set of wires and routers and, well, hardware.  And how are we going to make that hardware run?  Well, IP (internet protocol) is the OS that allows TCP and UDP to run.  TCP and UDP is the OS that allows HTTP and FTP and SMTP and NNTP to run.  And HTTP is the OS that allows chat applications and calenders to run.  </p>
<p>So in a way, the &#8220;web&#8221; OS really does abstract away hardware.. the wires themselves.. from the applications being built on it.  I begrudgingly admit that you really can talk about a web OS in the purist sense.  Only it isn&#8217;t just the browser.  It&#8217;s the whole stack.. from the browser down through all the HTTP/TCP/IP protocols on which it sits.</p>
<p>But then I got to thinking: If the Web is an OS, and we&#8217;re really talking about the browser being that component of the OS, then Silicon Valley has to take a collective long, hard look in the mirror, sigh, and realize that Microsoft was right.  Remember, everyone?  When Microsoft was claiming that IE was an &#8220;integral part of Windows&#8221;?  I think most of us, myself included, balked at such a statement.  &#8220;Ridiculous!&#8221; we thought to ourselves.  &#8220;Windows is an OS.  IE is an application.  Those are different layers of the stack!  IE cannot be an integral part of Windows.  Microsoft is just trying to use its monopoly power to control everything.  The statement itself, about IE being an integral part, has no objective technical or logical merit!&#8221;  In fact, to this day Google loves to trot out the &#8220;Microsoft is a convicted monopolist&#8221; meme, and most of what went into that conviction was their stance around integrating Windows and IE.  </p>
<p>Well, look at what everyone is now claiming.  The browser <i>is</i> the OS!  It may not be the OS for a single computer, but it is the OS for the network itself.  </p>
<p>And so all of Microsoft&#8217;s arguments about needing IE to be an integral part of Windows so that they could innovate.. while that logic smacked of pure b.s. to me at the time, in hindsight I think we all have to realize that if Microsoft were trying to become the Web OS, then IE *would* have to be an integral part of Windows.  Not being able to integrate would stop MS&#8217;s ability to innovate, exactly as MS claimed.  </p>
<p>Now there are those of us that still would never want a Microsoft Web.  There are other considerations, such as open standards, etc.  So I&#8217;m not giving MS a free pass, here.</p>
<p>I am simply pointing out that, at the core of their argument, Microsoft was right.  Arrington has all but admitted, above, that they were right.  Google, of all ironies, has also now proved them right.  (I&#8217;ve even seen a number of bloggers calling for Google to work directly with chipset manufacturers, so as to be able to ship computers running Chrome, natively on the hardware itself.  If that isn&#8217;t a vision of the supreme mashup of OS and web OS, into just that same sort of OS that Microsoft was trying to create by integrating Windows and IE, then I don&#8217;t know what is.)</p>
<p>Flame away <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   (And no, I do not work for Microsoft.)</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am all in favour of evolving language but I also understand the importance of clear and unambiguous communication.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the above definition of an OS it seems that the term becomes pretty meaningless.  Is Office an OS, is IE an OS?  I think I will stick to the traditional definition for now!  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I understand why people are making this connection but to me it seems one jump too many to be useful!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all in favour of evolving language but I also understand the importance of clear and unambiguous communication.  </p>
<p>With the above definition of an OS it seems that the term becomes pretty meaningless.  Is Office an OS, is IE an OS?  I think I will stick to the traditional definition for now!  </p>
<p>That said, I understand why people are making this connection but to me it seems one jump too many to be useful!</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;normally i&#039;d dismiss the commentary, but considering that over the past 5 years google has hired the entire original Plan9 team from bell labs (rob pike, sean quinlan et al), one has to consider that the internet as OS model is a very real way of thinking at elgoog, and has been since 2003, not since &#039;chrome&#039; was released - they just need their own browser to get all of their burdensome web apps to work correctly across all platforms, don&#039;t read into it...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>normally i&#8217;d dismiss the commentary, but considering that over the past 5 years google has hired the entire original Plan9 team from bell labs (rob pike, sean quinlan et al), one has to consider that the internet as OS model is a very real way of thinking at elgoog, and has been since 2003, not since &#8216;chrome&#8217; was released &#8211; they just need their own browser to get all of their burdensome web apps to work correctly across all platforms, don&#8217;t read into it&#8230;</p>
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