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		<title>By: dunkmylife</title>
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		<dc:creator>dunkmylife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 06:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;s particularly telling that the largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is wordpress while the fifth largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is ... wait for it .. YOUPORN.com! That&#039;s one heck of a negative reflection on the quality of Quantcast&#039;s program, don&#039;t you think?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s particularly telling that the largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is wordpress while the fifth largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is &#8230; wait for it .. YOUPORN.com! That&#8217;s one heck of a negative reflection on the quality of Quantcast&#8217;s program, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: friarminor</title>
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		<dc:creator>friarminor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, metrics!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe it all boils down to finding out who has the least bias. I there really such a thing as 100% accurate these days? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Best.&lt;br /&gt;
alain&lt;br /&gt;
www.mor.ph&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, metrics!</p>
<p>Maybe it all boils down to finding out who has the least bias. I there really such a thing as 100% accurate these days? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.</p>
<p>Best.<br />
alain<br />
<a href="http://www.mor.ph" rel="nofollow">http://www.mor.ph</a></p>
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		<title>By: Satılık Plesk 8 Lisans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satılık Plesk 8 Lisans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;s particularly telling that the largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is wordpress while the fifth largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is ... wait for it .. YOUPORN.com! That&#039;s one heck of a negative reflection on the quality of Quantcast&#039;s program, don&#039;t you think? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look, Nate, it&#039;s crystal clear that Quantcast&#039;s tagging program is not endorsed nor used by the vast, vast majority of important sites that carry advertising and who account for virtually all online ad dollars. So, all you get if you use Quantcast is a mishmash of data that is unquestionably biased toward the smaller and less relevant sites on the Internet. Ad agencies are simply not going to use such biased numbers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s particularly telling that the largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is wordpress while the fifth largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is &#8230; wait for it .. YOUPORN.com! That&#8217;s one heck of a negative reflection on the quality of Quantcast&#8217;s program, don&#8217;t you think? </p>
<p>Look, Nate, it&#8217;s crystal clear that Quantcast&#8217;s tagging program is not endorsed nor used by the vast, vast majority of important sites that carry advertising and who account for virtually all online ad dollars. So, all you get if you use Quantcast is a mishmash of data that is unquestionably biased toward the smaller and less relevant sites on the Internet. Ad agencies are simply not going to use such biased numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Ricci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Ricci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John - Interesting post.  Being an interactive media planner of 5 years, I have also been disappointed in Google&#039;s Ad Planner.  However, my reasoning is a bit different than yours.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;None of the tools (ComScore, Nielsen, Quantcast, etc.) are going to be 95-100% accurate on web traffic for each property out there.  In fact, you can almost count on any one of them being off at some point.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a media planner, I&#039;m more interested in being able to slice and dice the data (i.e. defining a target audience) that will get me to the most appropriate sites for my online marketing campaign.  Google just doesn&#039;t add up in this area.  Unless they make significant improvements, ComScore/@plan will still be the best tools for online media planning.   &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; Interesting post.  Being an interactive media planner of 5 years, I have also been disappointed in Google&#8217;s Ad Planner.  However, my reasoning is a bit different than yours.  </p>
<p>None of the tools (ComScore, Nielsen, Quantcast, etc.) are going to be 95-100% accurate on web traffic for each property out there.  In fact, you can almost count on any one of them being off at some point.  </p>
<p>As a media planner, I&#8217;m more interested in being able to slice and dice the data (i.e. defining a target audience) that will get me to the most appropriate sites for my online marketing campaign.  Google just doesn&#8217;t add up in this area.  Unless they make significant improvements, ComScore/@plan will still be the best tools for online media planning.   </p>
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		<title>By: Stu Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just to rub salt in your wound, Nate, for making such outlandish claims, here&#039;s a link to a page on Quantcast&#039;s own site where they acknowledge they only have 35K publishers using their tags:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quantcast.com/user/signup&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.quantcast.com/user/signup&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nowhere near the 10 million you claim.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to rub salt in your wound, Nate, for making such outlandish claims, here&#8217;s a link to a page on Quantcast&#8217;s own site where they acknowledge they only have 35K publishers using their tags:<br />
<a href="http://www.quantcast.com/user/signup" rel="nofollow">http://www.quantcast.com/user/signup</a></p>
<p>Nowhere near the 10 million you claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nate:&lt;br /&gt;
Your claim that Quantcast has tagged 10 million publishers is not true. If you go to Quantcast&#039;s own site, they conveniently list the sites that have -- or have not -- agreed to implement Quantcast&#039;s tagging. There are nowhere near 10 million &quot;quantified publishers&quot; listed. Not even 1 million. Not even 100,000.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
Let me summarize some other relevant numbers for you that you can verify from Quantcast&#039;s site. Of the 1000 largest sites in the U.S. that accept advertising, fully 80% DO NOT ACCEPT Quantcast&#039;s tagging. Here are some of the more important sites that DO NOT COOPERATE with Quantcast: Google, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, Myspace, mapquest, amazon, facebook, craigslist, information.com, go.com, blogger, paypal, CNN, all.com, imb, flickr, geocities, yellowpages, whitepages, weather.com, nextag, classmates, nytimes, webmd, shopzilla .... need I continue through the other 800 sites in the largest 1000 that DO NOT cooperate with Quantcast? You should get the point already.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
I think it&#039;s particularly telling that the largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is wordpress while the fifth largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is ... wait for it .. YOUPORN.com! That&#039;s one heck of a negative reflection on the quality of Quantcast&#039;s program, don&#039;t you think? &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
Look, Nate, it&#039;s crystal clear that Quantcast&#039;s tagging program is not endorsed nor used by the vast, vast majority of important sites that carry advertising and who account for virtually all online ad dollars. So, all you get if you use Quantcast is a mishmash of data that is unquestionably biased toward the smaller and less relevant sites on the Internet. Ad agencies are simply not going to use such biased numbers. &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
My recommendation to you if you are a publisher is to buy comScore or Nielsen data. It will cost you a few bucs more than the free Quantcast numbers you use today. But, at least you&#039;ll get something that advertisers and their agencies are using to place ad dollars today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate:<br />
Your claim that Quantcast has tagged 10 million publishers is not true. If you go to Quantcast&#8217;s own site, they conveniently list the sites that have &#8212; or have not &#8212; agreed to implement Quantcast&#8217;s tagging. There are nowhere near 10 million &#8220;quantified publishers&#8221; listed. Not even 1 million. Not even 100,000.</p>
<p>Let me summarize some other relevant numbers for you that you can verify from Quantcast&#8217;s site. Of the 1000 largest sites in the U.S. that accept advertising, fully 80% DO NOT ACCEPT Quantcast&#8217;s tagging. Here are some of the more important sites that DO NOT COOPERATE with Quantcast: Google, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, Myspace, mapquest, amazon, facebook, craigslist, information.com, go.com, blogger, paypal, CNN, all.com, imb, flickr, geocities, yellowpages, whitepages, weather.com, nextag, classmates, nytimes, webmd, shopzilla &#8230;. need I continue through the other 800 sites in the largest 1000 that DO NOT cooperate with Quantcast? You should get the point already.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s particularly telling that the largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is wordpress while the fifth largest site that DOES carry Quantcast tags is &#8230; wait for it .. YOUPORN.com! That&#8217;s one heck of a negative reflection on the quality of Quantcast&#8217;s program, don&#8217;t you think? </p>
<p>Look, Nate, it&#8217;s crystal clear that Quantcast&#8217;s tagging program is not endorsed nor used by the vast, vast majority of important sites that carry advertising and who account for virtually all online ad dollars. So, all you get if you use Quantcast is a mishmash of data that is unquestionably biased toward the smaller and less relevant sites on the Internet. Ad agencies are simply not going to use such biased numbers. </p>
<p>My recommendation to you if you are a publisher is to buy comScore or Nielsen data. It will cost you a few bucs more than the free Quantcast numbers you use today. But, at least you&#8217;ll get something that advertisers and their agencies are using to place ad dollars today.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stu -- Just to clarify, here is my belief: Quantcast data should be more accurate because they use both panel and direct publisher data in order to arrive at their people UV numbers. By using both direct data from over 10 million publishers and indirect data from their panel of 1+MM, their dataset is larger and more diverse, thereby leading to more accurate numbers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your belief as I understand it is: Quantcast data is less accurate than panel-only services because tagging a site significantly increases Quantcast&#039;s people UV estimates; a site that doesn&#039;t permit tagging will be significantly undercounted by Quantcast relative to tagged sites.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The point in my last post is that both of these are valid arguments. And without someone (being Quantcast, ComScore, IAB, etc) providing data to support either of these positions, you will have people on both sides of this argument. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stu &#8212; Just to clarify, here is my belief: Quantcast data should be more accurate because they use both panel and direct publisher data in order to arrive at their people UV numbers. By using both direct data from over 10 million publishers and indirect data from their panel of 1+MM, their dataset is larger and more diverse, thereby leading to more accurate numbers.</p>
<p>Your belief as I understand it is: Quantcast data is less accurate than panel-only services because tagging a site significantly increases Quantcast&#8217;s people UV estimates; a site that doesn&#8217;t permit tagging will be significantly undercounted by Quantcast relative to tagged sites.  </p>
<p>The point in my last post is that both of these are valid arguments. And without someone (being Quantcast, ComScore, IAB, etc) providing data to support either of these positions, you will have people on both sides of this argument. </p>
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		<title>By: Fiyat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiyat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems though that based on the data that ComScore was able to provide for this article, either ComScore or Quantcast could provide similar data. If I were Quantcast, this would be one of those pieces of data I would want to publish because it would go a long way to building trust that they are an independent, trusted source of information.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems though that based on the data that ComScore was able to provide for this article, either ComScore or Quantcast could provide similar data. If I were Quantcast, this would be one of those pieces of data I would want to publish because it would go a long way to building trust that they are an independent, trusted source of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Piccolboni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio Piccolboni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On a related note, if Google Ad Planner is biased towards adSense, what about their search results? What if I had &lt;a href=&quot;http://piccolbo.blogspot.com/2008/08/google-returns-more-adsense-rich.html#links&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;statistical evidence&lt;/a&gt; that Google search results are more likely to run adSense ads then the ones from live.com? Search is a little more important to our digital lives than Ad Planner and faces much less competition.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related note, if Google Ad Planner is biased towards adSense, what about their search results? What if I had <a href="http://piccolbo.blogspot.com/2008/08/google-returns-more-adsense-rich.html#links" rel="nofollow">statistical evidence</a> that Google search results are more likely to run adSense ads then the ones from live.com? Search is a little more important to our digital lives than Ad Planner and faces much less competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nate, I think you&#039;ve answered your question yourself. If, as you&#039;ve repeatedly claimed, you really believe that tagging a site significantly increases Quantcast&#039;s people UV estimates, then it followes that a site that doesn&#039;t permit tagging will be significantly undercounted by Quantcast relative to tagged sites. This is a killer for an ad agency because if the agency then uses Quantcast data to make decisions about where to place advertising they will be led WRONGLY to the tagged sites that have relatively higher UVs. The agencies&#039; clients will then scream blue murder. That&#039;s why we never see any agency bring us Quantcast data. Quantcast might be a player in the Little Leagues but they are nowhere in the majors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, I think you&#8217;ve answered your question yourself. If, as you&#8217;ve repeatedly claimed, you really believe that tagging a site significantly increases Quantcast&#8217;s people UV estimates, then it followes that a site that doesn&#8217;t permit tagging will be significantly undercounted by Quantcast relative to tagged sites. This is a killer for an ad agency because if the agency then uses Quantcast data to make decisions about where to place advertising they will be led WRONGLY to the tagged sites that have relatively higher UVs. The agencies&#8217; clients will then scream blue murder. That&#8217;s why we never see any agency bring us Quantcast data. Quantcast might be a player in the Little Leagues but they are nowhere in the majors.</p>
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