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		<title>By: thegoldenhat</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/06/its_over_google_wins.php#comment-7144</link>
		<dc:creator>thegoldenhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As much as I like Google and just about all of the services they offer, I would like to see a disruption in their growing search hegemony. For the better of the search marketplace I&#039;d like to see Google have to put up a fight and defend it&#039;s search dominance so that Google, and other players in the industry, are inspired to innovate and produce quality products as a means of holding on to their piece of the pie. Healthy industry competition usually equates to better products and services for customers! &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I like Google and just about all of the services they offer, I would like to see a disruption in their growing search hegemony. For the better of the search marketplace I&#8217;d like to see Google have to put up a fight and defend it&#8217;s search dominance so that Google, and other players in the industry, are inspired to innovate and produce quality products as a means of holding on to their piece of the pie. Healthy industry competition usually equates to better products and services for customers! </p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Zevallos Jr.</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/06/its_over_google_wins.php#comment-7143</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Zevallos Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No way... Yahoo is just doing a delay to make it&#039;s shares goes more down, than MS can buy it cheaper...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way&#8230; Yahoo is just doing a delay to make it&#8217;s shares goes more down, than MS can buy it cheaper&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/06/its_over_google_wins.php#comment-7142</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google hasn&#039;t won anything.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They have inferior search technology on several fronts (Ask generally provides better quality responses for general Web search).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They only control about 35% of REAL Market share (as measured by number of visitors per search engine and number of sessions per search engine).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They are getting their butts kicked in major non-American markets like Russia and China.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And they aren&#039;t called The Search Engine That Spam Built (TSETSB) for nothing.  It&#039;s easier to get Web spam into Google than into the other search engines.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People need to stop fussing over the estimated number of queries performed at search engines.  If you have to run 3 times as many queries at Google as at Microsoft, that&#039;s a pretty solid indicator that Google isn&#039;t showing you the best results.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google hasn&#8217;t won anything.</p>
<p>They have inferior search technology on several fronts (Ask generally provides better quality responses for general Web search).</p>
<p>They only control about 35% of REAL Market share (as measured by number of visitors per search engine and number of sessions per search engine).</p>
<p>They are getting their butts kicked in major non-American markets like Russia and China.</p>
<p>And they aren&#8217;t called The Search Engine That Spam Built (TSETSB) for nothing.  It&#8217;s easier to get Web spam into Google than into the other search engines.</p>
<p>People need to stop fussing over the estimated number of queries performed at search engines.  If you have to run 3 times as many queries at Google as at Microsoft, that&#8217;s a pretty solid indicator that Google isn&#8217;t showing you the best results.</p>
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		<title>By: imma</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/06/its_over_google_wins.php#comment-7141</link>
		<dc:creator>imma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@nmw&lt;br /&gt;
I am a little surprised that the term &quot;footwear&quot; doesn&#039;t appear on the page, although it does appear to be a good match on a category basis - I think &quot;footwear&quot; is a good label for that page, although it does seem a bit of a narrow match&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In terms of profiling, i feel that to provide the &#039;best&#039; answer to all search queries (or just questions) the phrasing of the query is insufficient, you mush also have context - geographic, other recent questions, personal preferences, near future events - as it is inefficient for the query to include all these factors&lt;br /&gt;
(eg if i asked a friend where is good to eat nearby, they may take into account that i can drive &amp; have my car available)&lt;br /&gt;
It may be undesireable, but will tend to improve the results, even if that&#039;s only by eliminating irrelevancies&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nmw<br />
I am a little surprised that the term &#8220;footwear&#8221; doesn&#8217;t appear on the page, although it does appear to be a good match on a category basis &#8211; I think &#8220;footwear&#8221; is a good label for that page, although it does seem a bit of a narrow match</p>
<p>In terms of profiling, i feel that to provide the &#8216;best&#8217; answer to all search queries (or just questions) the phrasing of the query is insufficient, you mush also have context &#8211; geographic, other recent questions, personal preferences, near future events &#8211; as it is inefficient for the query to include all these factors<br />
(eg if i asked a friend where is good to eat nearby, they may take into account that i can drive &#038; have my car available)<br />
It may be undesireable, but will tend to improve the results, even if that&#8217;s only by eliminating irrelevancies</p>
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		<title>By: Helene K.</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/06/its_over_google_wins.php#comment-7140</link>
		<dc:creator>Helene K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does this mean Yahoo! wouldn&#039;t be a good stock purchase in the foreseeable future?  JK&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean Yahoo! wouldn&#8217;t be a good stock purchase in the foreseeable future?  JK</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/06/its_over_google_wins.php#comment-7139</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In the early days of the Internet, Google was great. It used an algorithm that has been used in academia for about half a century to rank research&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;nmw: That didn&#039;t sound correct when I first read it.  Half a century?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then I went back and did the math.  Eugene Garfield, Science Citation Index (SCI).  Where the idea was to index papers based on citation &quot;hyperlinks&quot;, and use that index for improved information retrieval, ala PageRank.  Check out this quote from a 1955 article by Eugene Garfield (http://garfield.library.upenn.edu/papers/science1955.pdf).  I&#039;ve bolded those passages that essentially illustrate the core Google PageRank idea:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;Under each code number, for example, 3001-6789, there would be listed other code numbers representing articles that had referred to the article in question, together with an indication of whether the citing source was an original article, review, abstract, review article, patent, or translation, and so forth. In effect, &lt;b&gt;the system would provide a complete listing, for the publications covered, of all the original articles that had referred to the article in question&lt;/b&gt;. This would clearly be particularly useful in historical research, &lt;b&gt;when one is trying to evaluate the significance of a particular work and its impact&lt;/b&gt; on the literature and thinking of the period. &lt;b&gt;Such an &quot;impact factor&quot; may be much more indicative than an absolute count of the number of a scientist&#039;s publications&lt;/b&gt;, which was used by Lehman (3) and Dennis (4). The &quot;impact factor&quot; is similar to the quantitative measure obtained by Gross (5) &lt;b&gt;in evaluating the relative importance&lt;/b&gt; of scientific journals, a method later criticized by Brodman (6) but used again by Fussler (7).&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So Google in 1998, Garfield in 1955.  That&#039;s 43 years.  Almost about half a century!  You&#039;re absolutley right.  Amazing. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In the early days of the Internet, Google was great. It used an algorithm that has been used in academia for about half a century to rank research</i></p>
<p>nmw: That didn&#8217;t sound correct when I first read it.  Half a century?  </p>
<p>Then I went back and did the math.  Eugene Garfield, Science Citation Index (SCI).  Where the idea was to index papers based on citation &#8220;hyperlinks&#8221;, and use that index for improved information retrieval, ala PageRank.  Check out this quote from a 1955 article by Eugene Garfield (<a href="http://garfield.library.upenn.edu/papers/science1955.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://garfield.library.upenn.edu/papers/science1955.pdf</a>).  I&#8217;ve bolded those passages that essentially illustrate the core Google PageRank idea:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Under each code number, for example, 3001-6789, there would be listed other code numbers representing articles that had referred to the article in question, together with an indication of whether the citing source was an original article, review, abstract, review article, patent, or translation, and so forth. In effect, <b>the system would provide a complete listing, for the publications covered, of all the original articles that had referred to the article in question</b>. This would clearly be particularly useful in historical research, <b>when one is trying to evaluate the significance of a particular work and its impact</b> on the literature and thinking of the period. <b>Such an &#8220;impact factor&#8221; may be much more indicative than an absolute count of the number of a scientist&#8217;s publications</b>, which was used by Lehman (3) and Dennis (4). The &#8220;impact factor&#8221; is similar to the quantitative measure obtained by Gross (5) <b>in evaluating the relative importance</b> of scientific journals, a method later criticized by Brodman (6) but used again by Fussler (7).</i>&#8220;</p>
<p>So Google in 1998, Garfield in 1955.  That&#8217;s 43 years.  Almost about half a century!  You&#8217;re absolutley right.  Amazing. </p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/06/its_over_google_wins.php#comment-7138</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with nmw: Education is very much needed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With user education, not only will (as JuliaK says above) competition over the quality of the search RESULT be put back into user-beneficial play, but the PROCESS will be up for grabs, too.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is that Google has conditioned us to believe that one process is the only available/best process.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Imagine what would happen if many Americans started believing that a single source (process) of news was the only source of news.  Let&#039;s say, Fox, for example.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Loss of diversity is a bad thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with nmw: Education is very much needed.</p>
<p>With user education, not only will (as JuliaK says above) competition over the quality of the search RESULT be put back into user-beneficial play, but the PROCESS will be up for grabs, too.  </p>
<p>The problem is that Google has conditioned us to believe that one process is the only available/best process.  </p>
<p>Imagine what would happen if many Americans started believing that a single source (process) of news was the only source of news.  Let&#8217;s say, Fox, for example.  </p>
<p>Loss of diversity is a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Search dominance by Google is due to wide-spread adoption. AOL was the search king in the early days because that was all the dial-ups knew when it came to search. Google is now synonymous with search because it has been ingrained into peoples mindset - you don&#039;t search for something, you Google it. So how do you take down Google? Build a better search engine? As we all know people will use a sub-par product based on familiarity. The only way I see how to take down Google is through vertical search - topic specific or content specific. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Search dominance by Google is due to wide-spread adoption. AOL was the search king in the early days because that was all the dial-ups knew when it came to search. Google is now synonymous with search because it has been ingrained into peoples mindset &#8211; you don&#8217;t search for something, you Google it. So how do you take down Google? Build a better search engine? As we all know people will use a sub-par product based on familiarity. The only way I see how to take down Google is through vertical search &#8211; topic specific or content specific. </p>
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		<title>By: Holger B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holger B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google is in the same position as Microsoft in the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s within the Office market. No one was able to compete then with Microsoft - but all of a sudden the internet came around  and MS had to adjust - and they were not really up for it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will take a new &#039;something&#039; that won&#039;t topple Google in the search market but in another field not yet invented or brought to the masses. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just my 2 cents.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- Holger&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is in the same position as Microsoft in the 80&#8242;s and 90&#8242;s within the Office market. No one was able to compete then with Microsoft &#8211; but all of a sudden the internet came around  and MS had to adjust &#8211; and they were not really up for it.</p>
<p>It will take a new &#8216;something&#8217; that won&#8217;t topple Google in the search market but in another field not yet invented or brought to the masses. </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>- Holger</p>
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		<title>By: JuliaK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliaK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, Google is an undeniable winner in the search PROCESS, but has it actually solved user&#039;s problem of reaching search RESULT?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Google is an undeniable winner in the search PROCESS, but has it actually solved user&#8217;s problem of reaching search RESULT?</p>
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