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		<title>By: Tom Foremski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Foremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John, when I worked at as a reporter for the Financial Times, some days I would write 6 stories, and over night a news analysis or feature. In SIlicon Valley there is no shortage of news stories. With 300 editorial staff I could own Silicon Valley, the 10th richest economic region on the planet. I have good friends at the SF Chron and respect their work. The problem is in the legacy costs of running a newspaper business and the slow development of new media business models, imho.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, when I worked at as a reporter for the Financial Times, some days I would write 6 stories, and over night a news analysis or feature. In SIlicon Valley there is no shortage of news stories. With 300 editorial staff I could own Silicon Valley, the 10th richest economic region on the planet. I have good friends at the SF Chron and respect their work. The problem is in the legacy costs of running a newspaper business and the slow development of new media business models, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: SpragueD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpragueD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem is velocity and the inability of society to react quickly to radical change. It took about a hundred years to develop the journalistic institutions that we have come to rely on for quality information. The internet is very efficient at destroying the financial underpinnings of those institutions, but cannot hope to replace what will be lost fast enough. It&#039;s not too soon to start lamenting the loss.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is velocity and the inability of society to react quickly to radical change. It took about a hundred years to develop the journalistic institutions that we have come to rely on for quality information. The internet is very efficient at destroying the financial underpinnings of those institutions, but cannot hope to replace what will be lost fast enough. It&#8217;s not too soon to start lamenting the loss.</p>
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		<title>By: pi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree with mb. Internet killed intermediaries in many industries, typically replacing them with others (e.g., local computer shops were replaced by internet sellers + fedex/ups). It does not seem unlikely for the same thing to happen in online journalism. Each journalist can produce content (independently or as part of a smaller team) and them Google will serve as an aggregator who will match the journalists with their audience. Newspapers have been doing this for a while now, but their distribution model seems inefficient now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with mb. Internet killed intermediaries in many industries, typically replacing them with others (e.g., local computer shops were replaced by internet sellers + fedex/ups). It does not seem unlikely for the same thing to happen in online journalism. Each journalist can produce content (independently or as part of a smaller team) and them Google will serve as an aggregator who will match the journalists with their audience. Newspapers have been doing this for a while now, but their distribution model seems inefficient now.</p>
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		<title>By: nmw</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Trogor: a feature that is able to measure the accuracy of what a journalist reports&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hey, you might be onto something there -- I think you should &quot;go with it&quot;!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;;P nmw&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trogor: a feature that is able to measure the accuracy of what a journalist reports</p>
<p>Hey, you might be onto something there &#8212; I think you should &#8220;go with it&#8221;!!</p>
<p>;P nmw</p>
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		<title>By: Trogdor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trogdor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Googly: &lt;i&gt;Interesting assumption that a reporter is &quot;pumping&quot; out stories like a factory. I am not we measure productivity in software engineering through lines of code, but rather quality of code.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s a good point. I&#039;d like to see a feature that is able to measure the accuracy of what a journalist reports. Something that takes the body of knowledge of what&#039;s happened, and that journalist&#039;s previous predictions, and rates how well they do. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That way, we could measure the quality of reporting and opinion-giving, since reporters are so quick to give them out. After enough time, when Katie Couric says &quot;X is happening, which will lead to Y&quot; we can go over her historical data and see just how much credibility we should (or shouldn&#039;t) give her. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Heck, for that matter, let&#039;s add celebrities &amp; politicians, too. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Googly: <i>Interesting assumption that a reporter is &#8220;pumping&#8221; out stories like a factory. I am not we measure productivity in software engineering through lines of code, but rather quality of code.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good point. I&#8217;d like to see a feature that is able to measure the accuracy of what a journalist reports. Something that takes the body of knowledge of what&#8217;s happened, and that journalist&#8217;s previous predictions, and rates how well they do. </p>
<p>That way, we could measure the quality of reporting and opinion-giving, since reporters are so quick to give them out. After enough time, when Katie Couric says &#8220;X is happening, which will lead to Y&#8221; we can go over her historical data and see just how much credibility we should (or shouldn&#8217;t) give her. </p>
<p>Heck, for that matter, let&#8217;s add celebrities &#038; politicians, too. </p>
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		<title>By: Trogdor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trogdor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;it is highly skilled professional journalists committed to seeking the truth and reporting it, independently and without fear or favor, who must go.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The average citizen may not realize how severely the public&#039;s access to important news, gathered according to high standards, may be threatened by these bottom line trade-offs. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can&#039;t you just hear the arrogant elitism smacking from his lips? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Professional journalists ... who get 90% of their stories from PR folk from anybody anywhere. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Report the truth independently without fear or favor ... I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen this in our one-sided American media. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And then, the clincher: &quot;The average citizen may not realize how severely the public&#039;s access to news ...&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, yes, us average idiots out here cannot survive unless the SFGate journalists are able to package the reality of our world into its papers, in its fashion. The SFGate journalists are so much smarter, and more important, than us average idiots. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Journalism as a profession has been declining since long before the Internet made it obvious. For real journalists with real skills, there will be opportunities. But that&#039;s the caveat: they must be great journalists ... which is just how many of that 100 that&#039;s getting the axe? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You could probably count them on one hand. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it is highly skilled professional journalists committed to seeking the truth and reporting it, independently and without fear or favor, who must go.</i></p>
<p>The average citizen may not realize how severely the public&#8217;s access to important news, gathered according to high standards, may be threatened by these bottom line trade-offs. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you just hear the arrogant elitism smacking from his lips? </p>
<p>Professional journalists &#8230; who get 90% of their stories from PR folk from anybody anywhere. </p>
<p>Report the truth independently without fear or favor &#8230; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen this in our one-sided American media. </p>
<p>And then, the clincher: &#8220;The average citizen may not realize how severely the public&#8217;s access to news &#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes, yes, us average idiots out here cannot survive unless the SFGate journalists are able to package the reality of our world into its papers, in its fashion. The SFGate journalists are so much smarter, and more important, than us average idiots. </p>
<p>Journalism as a profession has been declining since long before the Internet made it obvious. For real journalists with real skills, there will be opportunities. But that&#8217;s the caveat: they must be great journalists &#8230; which is just how many of that 100 that&#8217;s getting the axe? </p>
<p>You could probably count them on one hand. </p>
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		<title>By: Rich Pearson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 07:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your evolution point is dead-on.  People have flocked to read the news online and the newspapers haven&#039;t adapted quickly enough.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While they are paying the price now, Newspapers have the content which still makes them the long term winner -- provided they evolve and don&#039;t lay off all their staff;  Many still seem to be afraid to push their content out aggressively in fear of sploggers, or, as you put it, lack of transparency.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is where technology must provide the evolutionary boost, if you will.  There are a few promising tools out there to help newspapers level the playing field in this search-centric economy. Copyscape and Attributor come to mind as leaders in this area.   Technology from these companies or others like it can help lead newspapers back.  Search engines have a vested interest in helping out too - they stand to benefit from better content online and should help provide the transparency newspapers require.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your evolution point is dead-on.  People have flocked to read the news online and the newspapers haven&#8217;t adapted quickly enough.</p>
<p>While they are paying the price now, Newspapers have the content which still makes them the long term winner &#8212; provided they evolve and don&#8217;t lay off all their staff;  Many still seem to be afraid to push their content out aggressively in fear of sploggers, or, as you put it, lack of transparency.</p>
<p>This is where technology must provide the evolutionary boost, if you will.  There are a few promising tools out there to help newspapers level the playing field in this search-centric economy. Copyscape and Attributor come to mind as leaders in this area.   Technology from these companies or others like it can help lead newspapers back.  Search engines have a vested interest in helping out too &#8211; they stand to benefit from better content online and should help provide the transparency newspapers require.</p>
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		<title>By: David Forrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 23:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Chronicle and other papers are getting crushed because they aren&#039;t relevant any more. Done and done. Produce something amazing and people will pay attention. The notion that we need to somehow save these &quot;highly skilled professionals&quot; is misguided at best, especially when most &quot;journalists&quot; ran for cover during the last 5 years and forgot their obligations to actually report the news, question authority, and exercise the freedom of the press to call BS. People have lost respect for the media, and that&#039;s hurting as much as anything else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chronicle and other papers are getting crushed because they aren&#8217;t relevant any more. Done and done. Produce something amazing and people will pay attention. The notion that we need to somehow save these &#8220;highly skilled professionals&#8221; is misguided at best, especially when most &#8220;journalists&#8221; ran for cover during the last 5 years and forgot their obligations to actually report the news, question authority, and exercise the freedom of the press to call BS. People have lost respect for the media, and that&#8217;s hurting as much as anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are you kidding me?  Google propping up the failing big media news facilities?  Why?  These institutions are falling for a good reason.&lt;br /&gt;
We don&#039;t need Google assisting these top heavy over done monoliths.&lt;br /&gt;
They had their day!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me?  Google propping up the failing big media news facilities?  Why?  These institutions are falling for a good reason.<br />
We don&#8217;t need Google assisting these top heavy over done monoliths.<br />
They had their day!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t recall the radio or TV companies subsidizing the newsrooms when they came along. The transformation of the publishing landscape requires change and adoption to survive. Change is hard for an embedded business (especially one with shareholders who don&#039;t go for long term investments).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the average attention span of someone reading something online is 500 words. If I were a newspaper publisher today I would focus on the longer, investigative pieces which is why The Wall Street Journal and New York Times are relatively successful today. Because these are more like daily magazines, you tend to buy them when you see a story of interest or know that you&#039;re going to be somewhere where you&#039;ve got some time to dig into something substantial. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The daily subscription business model is threatened so maybe something more flexible is in order - how about a Starbucks type frequent shopper card that gets you 15 issues for the price of 10. Upfront revenues for the papers but more flexibility for the readers? Bundle multiple papers and give the readers even more choice for an even greater incentive. Your choice of WSJ, NYT, or, when your traveling in Europe, the Financial Times - I&#039;d buy that *and* give you my subscriber data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s get creative folks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall the radio or TV companies subsidizing the newsrooms when they came along. The transformation of the publishing landscape requires change and adoption to survive. Change is hard for an embedded business (especially one with shareholders who don&#8217;t go for long term investments).</p>
<p>I think the average attention span of someone reading something online is 500 words. If I were a newspaper publisher today I would focus on the longer, investigative pieces which is why The Wall Street Journal and New York Times are relatively successful today. Because these are more like daily magazines, you tend to buy them when you see a story of interest or know that you&#8217;re going to be somewhere where you&#8217;ve got some time to dig into something substantial. </p>
<p>The daily subscription business model is threatened so maybe something more flexible is in order &#8211; how about a Starbucks type frequent shopper card that gets you 15 issues for the price of 10. Upfront revenues for the papers but more flexibility for the readers? Bundle multiple papers and give the readers even more choice for an even greater incentive. Your choice of WSJ, NYT, or, when your traveling in Europe, the Financial Times &#8211; I&#8217;d buy that *and* give you my subscriber data.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get creative folks!</p>
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