Comments on: Do You Trust The Govt. To Not Abuse Patriot Act? Really?

By: serblood

serblood — Thu, 03 May 2007 22:00:41 +0000

Thank you very much

By: komedi

komedi — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:33:48 +0000

thanks

By: digitalnomad

digitalnomad — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:49:19 +0000

This is an interesting exchange of views. I alway wonder when I read these kinds of comments on either side of the issue, how many of the people have actually read the Patriot Act...or for that matter the Bank Secrecy Act...or for that matter any Executive Orders of the past 4-5 administrations.

These look like thoughtful comments, but upon closer examination seem to be nothing more than personal opinions. It would be nice for commentators to acknowledge if they actually have, or have not, read any of the referenced laws.

By: Brian

Brian — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:39:29 +0000

Neil's comments ("...these are the darkest days of the Republic") echo the sentiments of a lot of people. Unfortunately, it is a mindset like this that subtly encourages people (politicians included) to justify their actions, creating a slippery slope where even worse things are possible.

A smart man once said people have a tendency to overestimate the importance of things in the short term and underestimate their impact in the long term.

Ladies and gentlemen, just as the press failed in its reportage of WMD, so too is it failing to investigate what is likely if we pull out. Let me stress that no one has a crystal ball that can predict the future; but I think it is unreasonable to try to set the clock back.

The world we have cannot be put solely on the shoulders of our sitting President: we have all been profligate consumers of gasoline, foreign governments have failed to create opportunities for Muslim youth, bad assumptions were made about the importance of maintaining foreign intelligence in the wake of the Soviet empire, and so on. There is blame enough to go around.

What we *can* do is explore the notion of transparency with the press: seed blogs with the question of what tradeoffs we would be willing to make, and explore their benefits and consequences?

This is the gift of democracy: a fierce optimism that even in the face of calamity, collectively we can dream and render a better future.

By: Kris Patel

Kris Patel — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:28:16 +0000

Mike:

I do agree with you, that it is dangerous to adopt a mindset which ignores the realities of the world we live in [realities including murder, rape, child abuse, poverty and ignorant, disrespectful leadership]. But I do not believe that infringing upon the privacy of each and every American in this country is the correct way to combat said 'dangerous' realities. I would give up my privacy to save lives, if it were necessary. I do not believe that in this situation it is necessary. I believe that giving up my privacy at this point implicates the future lives of the citizens of this country. We can and will find a better way.

Thank you for the insightful conversation. Kudos!

By: neil roseman

neil roseman — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:28:25 +0000

The Patriot Act, and it’s abuse, aren’t even the worst abrogation of our freedoms by this Presidency. It pales with the elimination of Habeas Corpus, so blithely passed by congress and signed by the gibbering idiot in the White House. The thing that has kept our Republic what it is, is this rule of law, and that you can always have due process. These are truly the darkest days of our republic.

By: Hercule DB

Hercule DB — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:33:36 +0000

Enter the age of Transparent Life. Caveat emptor. In this case, let the individual assume responsibility for their own privacy, just as they do with their homes.

Some of those who consume digital information, entertainment, mail, movies and music will insist on privacy. Technology companies and scientists will find ways to market security to individuals and businesses. Others, including governments, will find ways to invade that privacy for various good, well intentioned or malevolent reasons. It strikes me as reasonable that that those who want absolute digital privacy will be able to find it. Their challenge will be the limits they place on their own lifestyle by not allowing the world to know who they are. Corporations and individuals with whom they may want to connect will be unable to. Walls, after all, keep people in as well as out. Ultimately, what individuals seek, is the freedom to explore and connect with relevant content (even advertising in many cases) without the risk of that connection being abused.

Each of us has a choice to make. How much privacy do we demand? What price freedom? We should rather live in a free world troubled even by threats from terrorists, than one in which individuals or organizations in whom I have little trust have open access and therefore control over our lives.

By: Mike

Mike — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:23:23 +0000

Kris, you say;

"the freedom to talk and exchange with whomever I wish without having Big Brother watching over my shoulder."

Me too however if a terror cell is talking and exchanging information they deserve no such freedoms. It's dangerous to adopt a mindset that ignores the realities of our time. Thankfully the government has tools to interupt the free exchange of ideas and plans of our enemies on our own soil.

By: Trogdor

Trogdor — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:16:58 +0000

Two problems:

Freedom means you're free to be less safe than if Big Brother is watching you. Then again, you're also safe *FROM* Big Brother in this way, but that's deeper than most people care to think. Nope, it seems people would rather be mollycoddled by a (mostly) benevolent dictatorship, than be free and have to take care of themselves.

And, while the Patriot Act may seem like a good thing for now, how can we expect Ms Clinton to (ab)use it?

By: Kris Patel

Kris Patel — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:16:48 +0000

The problem with the Patriot Act is the leniency we are giving the government. The U.S. government is restricted by us, by our constitution, so that we will always have the power. So that we are not ruled by anyone but ourselves. Thousands of Americans died in the Revolutionary War so that freedom from abusive and restrictive government was achieved. Leniency will let them know that they can get away with whatever they want. I'll tell you what I want, FREEDOM. Freedom from persecution, abuse, and restrictions-- the freedom to talk and exchange with whomever I wish without having Big Brother watching over my shoulder.

Give the government an inch, they WILL take a mile.