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	<title>Comments on: Sour Grapes: Time To SueTube?</title>
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		<title>By: nalts</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/10/sour_grapes_time_to_suetube.php#comment-13292</link>
		<dc:creator>nalts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The YouTube boys were brilliant to sell the problem to deeper pockets and walk away with Google stock. I&#039;d sell as much as I could. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a mess for at least three reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
1) There&#039;s not yet a business model &lt;br /&gt;
2) There are major copyright issues that could eliminate much of the content on YouTube.&lt;br /&gt;
3) The rest of the stuff (submitted by copyright owners) is based on volunteer workers who make no money. Now there are places to distribute your content AND get some of the advertising revenue (Revver/Metacafe). The creators will follow the money, the viewers will follow the creators, and the advertising will follow the viewers eyeballs. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The YouTube boys were brilliant to sell the problem to deeper pockets and walk away with Google stock. I&#8217;d sell as much as I could. </p>
<p>This is a mess for at least three reasons:<br />
1) There&#8217;s not yet a business model <br />
2) There are major copyright issues that could eliminate much of the content on YouTube.<br />
3) The rest of the stuff (submitted by copyright owners) is based on volunteer workers who make no money. Now there are places to distribute your content AND get some of the advertising revenue (Revver/Metacafe). The creators will follow the money, the viewers will follow the creators, and the advertising will follow the viewers eyeballs. </p>
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		<title>By: garypool</title>
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		<dc:creator>garypool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Time Warner reminds me of George Steinbrenner. They are always trying to buy a penant. They spend all their money on has-beens or soon-to-be has-beens and then begin crying when one of the other teams picks up a good player. Google will be alright. &lt;em&gt;No worries Mate!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time Warner reminds me of George Steinbrenner. They are always trying to buy a penant. They spend all their money on has-beens or soon-to-be has-beens and then begin crying when one of the other teams picks up a good player. Google will be alright. <em>No worries Mate!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Deep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the whole YouTube aquisition is questionable for this reason, in addition to the sillyness of the price. I&#039;m surprised Google&#039;s lawyers didn&#039;t spell this future of lawsuits out for them when the decision to aquire was being made. Companies get big, their bank accounts too, and everyone else, lawyers leading the charge, wants to sue their way to the wealth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole YouTube aquisition is questionable for this reason, in addition to the sillyness of the price. I&#8217;m surprised Google&#8217;s lawyers didn&#8217;t spell this future of lawsuits out for them when the decision to aquire was being made. Companies get big, their bank accounts too, and everyone else, lawyers leading the charge, wants to sue their way to the wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: John Battelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Battelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What emails? Sorry if we have been swamped. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What emails? Sorry if we have been swamped. </p>
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		<title>By: TomBomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomBomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your comments are bang on--just another sign of old media writhing in its death throes, wallowing in its own detritus.  Now if the folks at FM can ever respond to emails, perhaps you will have a better model for the future. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Your comments are bang on&#8211;just another sign of old media writhing in its death throes, wallowing in its own detritus.  Now if the folks at FM can ever respond to emails, perhaps you will have a better model for the future. </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hunkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Hunkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the problem with web 2.0 is that any idiot can put up a blog and pretend they know something &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Problem?!  Maybe, but it also might be considered  *Revolutionary tipping point of global significance in the history of communication*&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Six one way, half a dozen the other I guess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>> the problem with web 2.0 is that any idiot can put up a blog and pretend they know something </p>
<p>Problem?!  Maybe, but it also might be considered  *Revolutionary tipping point of global significance in the history of communication*</p>
<p>Six one way, half a dozen the other I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne O&apos;Neimaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne O&apos;Neimaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It will probably never happen, but Google does have the equivalent of a nuclear weapon to fight back with:  Time Warner completely drops off the Google Ads and Search radar.&lt;br /&gt;
That would hurt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will probably never happen, but Google does have the equivalent of a nuclear weapon to fight back with:  Time Warner completely drops off the Google Ads and Search radar.<br />
That would hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hunkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Hunkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for a shot across the bow may bring a broadside from the other side &gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t really follow you here John.  I agree with you and Bob Dylan that &quot;The Times They are a Changin&#039;&quot;, and that &quot;The Time Warner&#039;s they are NOT a changin&#039;&quot;.  However I don&#039;t see how bringing out the legal beasts will hurt Time Warner.   Frankly, I think they just want Google to throw money at them.   As the Napster buyout proved all this has little to do with &quot;rights&quot;, it&#039;s a money grab.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>> for a shot across the bow may bring a broadside from the other side ></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really follow you here John.  I agree with you and Bob Dylan that &#8220;The Times They are a Changin&#8217;&#8221;, and that &#8220;The Time Warner&#8217;s they are NOT a changin&#8217;&#8221;.  However I don&#8217;t see how bringing out the legal beasts will hurt Time Warner.   Frankly, I think they just want Google to throw money at them.   As the Napster buyout proved all this has little to do with &#8220;rights&#8221;, it&#8217;s a money grab.</p>
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		<title>By: mtechReader</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtechReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This article doesn&#039;t deserve a response. This blog should not be included in mtech. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;YOU LACK ALL KNOWLEDGE OF BUSINESS AND LAW. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the problem with web 2.0 is that any idiot can put up a blog and pretend they know something. what a waste of 5 minutes of my life.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article doesn&#8217;t deserve a response. This blog should not be included in mtech. </p>
<p>YOU LACK ALL KNOWLEDGE OF BUSINESS AND LAW. </p>
<p>the problem with web 2.0 is that any idiot can put up a blog and pretend they know something. what a waste of 5 minutes of my life.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with Soreng.  Most youtubers want free s**t.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just got finished listening to a recent IT Conversations podcast, a session from the 2005 Web 2.0 conference entitled &quot;What Teens Want&quot;.  In fact, I think you (John) introduced the session.  (I wasn&#039;t there myself, so apologies to all for whom this is old hat.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the takeaway from the interview with these five teenagers was that the two things they wanted from people building next gen services was (1) &quot;more free stuff&quot;, and (2) fewer ads.  Ads were really starting to piss some of these teens off.  And all but one girl (if I remember correctly) had not paid for a single piece of media online.  The one girl who had paid had only bought 10 iTunes songs, and had 1490 other copied/downloaded ones.  Every other kid either ripped tunes from their friends or used bittorrent. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So YouTube came along and gave them more free stuff.  They got half of what they want.  But is Google now going to come along and give them fewer ads?  I don&#039;t think so.  And you think that is going to endear Google to these kids?  When they see &quot;Ads by Gooooooooogle&quot; at the beginning of each video clip?  The kids don&#039;t care about the brand.  They just want free stuff.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Copyright itself is basically good, but using it to bash people is not.  And DRM is particularly, insidiously evil, and it needs to die.  But you don&#039;t combat DRM and copyright abuses by throwing up massive-scale YouTubian piracy, setting a block on your shoulder, and saying, &quot;so sue me!&quot;  Escalation is not the solution.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Funny thing is, I&#039;ve spoken with high-ranking insiders at Google over the years about this copyright issue, and what is happening now completely contradicts everything they&#039;ve told me.  I&#039;m really amazed by this complete about-face that we&#039;re seeing right now.  I really wonder what sort of internal discussions Google has been having lately, if everyone is in agreement or if there is a lot of debate right now about this whole move.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Soreng.  Most youtubers want free s**t.  </p>
<p>I just got finished listening to a recent IT Conversations podcast, a session from the 2005 Web 2.0 conference entitled &#8220;What Teens Want&#8221;.  In fact, I think you (John) introduced the session.  (I wasn&#8217;t there myself, so apologies to all for whom this is old hat.)</p>
<p>And the takeaway from the interview with these five teenagers was that the two things they wanted from people building next gen services was (1) &#8220;more free stuff&#8221;, and (2) fewer ads.  Ads were really starting to piss some of these teens off.  And all but one girl (if I remember correctly) had not paid for a single piece of media online.  The one girl who had paid had only bought 10 iTunes songs, and had 1490 other copied/downloaded ones.  Every other kid either ripped tunes from their friends or used bittorrent. </p>
<p>So YouTube came along and gave them more free stuff.  They got half of what they want.  But is Google now going to come along and give them fewer ads?  I don&#8217;t think so.  And you think that is going to endear Google to these kids?  When they see &#8220;Ads by Gooooooooogle&#8221; at the beginning of each video clip?  The kids don&#8217;t care about the brand.  They just want free stuff.  </p>
<p>Copyright itself is basically good, but using it to bash people is not.  And DRM is particularly, insidiously evil, and it needs to die.  But you don&#8217;t combat DRM and copyright abuses by throwing up massive-scale YouTubian piracy, setting a block on your shoulder, and saying, &#8220;so sue me!&#8221;  Escalation is not the solution.  </p>
<p>(Funny thing is, I&#8217;ve spoken with high-ranking insiders at Google over the years about this copyright issue, and what is happening now completely contradicts everything they&#8217;ve told me.  I&#8217;m really amazed by this complete about-face that we&#8217;re seeing right now.  I really wonder what sort of internal discussions Google has been having lately, if everyone is in agreement or if there is a lot of debate right now about this whole move.)</p>
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