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		<title>By: Marc Cenedella, TheLadders.com</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/10/oh_for_30_million_in_google_stock_circa_2003.php#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Cenedella, TheLadders.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well thanks for noticing my comment. I&#039;d like to understand more about why you say bad assumption on my part, as I believe the publicly available data strongly indicate that it is unlikely that Abrams would be a Google billionaire had he taken their offer...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Issue at hand&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
It is highly unlikely that GOOG was valued at $2 bn in fall 2003; if, in fact, it was, GOOG was trading at 1/10th the relative valuation of YHOO contemporaneously, and valuing itself with the industrial sector rather than the online sector, which would seem an unusual choice for a Kleiner backed company.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To wit:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;A $2bn valuation would have required unusually low implied valuation multiples for Google&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
- GOOG&#039;s 2003 revenues were $1.5 bn, and at 9/30/03, TTM revenues were north of $1 bn&lt;br /&gt;
- GOOG&#039;s 2003 EBIT came in at $342 mm, and at 9/30/03, TTM EBIT was north of $300 mm&lt;br /&gt;
- For GOOG to be valued at $2bn, GOOG&#039;s revenue multiple would have had to have been less than 2; it&#039;s EBIT multiple, less than 7, valuations more in line with industrial, low-growth manufacturers: &lt;a href=&quot;http://biz.yahoo.com/p/6conameu.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://biz.yahoo.com/p/6conameu.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://biz.yahoo.com/p/6conameu.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;A $2bn valuation would have valued GOOG at a 90% discount to YHOO, its closest peer&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
- YHOO, on 10/3/03 was trading at a valuation about 20% less than it is today, so let&#039;s say $25 bn, against what would turn out to be a $1.6 bn revenue line and $300 mm EBIT line, in 2003.&lt;br /&gt;
- Google, with substantially similar operating performance, could expect a similar valuation (though contemporaneously the conventional wisdom had &#039;unproven newcomer&#039; Google needing to take a 10 or  20 percent discount because of perceived lower quality.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;My sources at GOOG contemporanesously had mentioned valuations in the $10 to $30 bn range&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
While revenues remained a secret until the S-1 was filed in the spring of 2004, Google employees begain whispering about high valuations in 2003.&lt;br /&gt;
My contacts at Google mentioned substantially higher numbers than your contact - closer to the $30 bn range.&lt;br /&gt;
The New York Times reported valuation rumors as high as $25 bn on December 1, 2003: &lt;a href=&quot;http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F00A14F63B5E0C728CDDAB0994DB404482&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F00A14F63B5E0C728CDDAB0994DB404482&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F00A14F63B5E0C728CDDAB0994DB404482&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
It seems unlikely, given subsequent events, that Google&#039;s management would have pegged a very low valuation on GOOG given the belief in the marketplace, among its own employees, and among the press, that its equity was worth 10x more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;In the summer of 2004, GOG&#039;s IPO valued it inline with its peers&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
If Google did indeed value itself at a deep discount to its peers in fall 2003, Google&#039;s management went through a substantial rethinking over the suqsequent months to eliminate this discount. Why?&lt;br /&gt;
In order for the counter-thesis to be right, Google&#039;s valuation would have had to increase 10x between fall &#039;03 and summer &#039;04, at a time when its revenues increased only ~3x. Why?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;It is unusual for a start-up CEO to retain 80% ownership after venture funding&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Actually, on this one, *my* math is indeed incorrect, and Gary&#039;s right. I was (incorrectly) assuming that the VCs already owned the typical 30% or so. Of course, given that the subject of the story, and the crux of this discussion, is what Abrams could have had done *before* he took the VC dough, I&#039;m wrong here. So 80% is likely the more correct number to use.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Conclusion&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
So, given the data available on the public record, and the reasonable assumptions one can drawn from them, I don&#039;t believe the math supports the claim that Jonathan Abrams would&#039;ve been a Google billionaire had he accepted Google&#039;s offer to acquire Friendster in the fall of 2003 for $30 mm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;My best guess&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
80% times $30mm times a missed upside of 6x. At $150 mm, still a hefty sum to have had slip through your fingers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thanks for noticing my comment. I&#8217;d like to understand more about why you say bad assumption on my part, as I believe the publicly available data strongly indicate that it is unlikely that Abrams would be a Google billionaire had he taken their offer&#8230;</p>
<p><b>Issue at hand</b><br />
It is highly unlikely that GOOG was valued at $2 bn in fall 2003; if, in fact, it was, GOOG was trading at 1/10th the relative valuation of YHOO contemporaneously, and valuing itself with the industrial sector rather than the online sector, which would seem an unusual choice for a Kleiner backed company.</p>
<p>To wit:</p>
<p><b>A $2bn valuation would have required unusually low implied valuation multiples for Google</b><br />
- GOOG&#8217;s 2003 revenues were $1.5 bn, and at 9/30/03, TTM revenues were north of $1 bn<br />
- GOOG&#8217;s 2003 EBIT came in at $342 mm, and at 9/30/03, TTM EBIT was north of $300 mm<br />
- For GOOG to be valued at $2bn, GOOG&#8217;s revenue multiple would have had to have been less than 2; it&#8217;s EBIT multiple, less than 7, valuations more in line with industrial, low-growth manufacturers: <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/p/6conameu.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/p/6conameu.html" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/p/6conameu.html</a> </p>
<p><b>A $2bn valuation would have valued GOOG at a 90% discount to YHOO, its closest peer</b><br />
- YHOO, on 10/3/03 was trading at a valuation about 20% less than it is today, so let&#8217;s say $25 bn, against what would turn out to be a $1.6 bn revenue line and $300 mm EBIT line, in 2003.<br />
- Google, with substantially similar operating performance, could expect a similar valuation (though contemporaneously the conventional wisdom had &#8216;unproven newcomer&#8217; Google needing to take a 10 or  20 percent discount because of perceived lower quality.)</p>
<p><b>My sources at GOOG contemporanesously had mentioned valuations in the $10 to $30 bn range</b><br />
While revenues remained a secret until the S-1 was filed in the spring of 2004, Google employees begain whispering about high valuations in 2003.<br />
My contacts at Google mentioned substantially higher numbers than your contact &#8211; closer to the $30 bn range.<br />
The New York Times reported valuation rumors as high as $25 bn on December 1, 2003: <a href="http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F00A14F63B5E0C728CDDAB0994DB404482" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F00A14F63B5E0C728CDDAB0994DB404482" rel="nofollow">http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F00A14F63B5E0C728CDDAB0994DB404482</a> <br />
It seems unlikely, given subsequent events, that Google&#8217;s management would have pegged a very low valuation on GOOG given the belief in the marketplace, among its own employees, and among the press, that its equity was worth 10x more.</p>
<p><b>In the summer of 2004, GOG&#8217;s IPO valued it inline with its peers</b><br />
If Google did indeed value itself at a deep discount to its peers in fall 2003, Google&#8217;s management went through a substantial rethinking over the suqsequent months to eliminate this discount. Why?<br />
In order for the counter-thesis to be right, Google&#8217;s valuation would have had to increase 10x between fall &#8217;03 and summer &#8217;04, at a time when its revenues increased only ~3x. Why?</p>
<p><b>It is unusual for a start-up CEO to retain 80% ownership after venture funding</b><br />
Actually, on this one, *my* math is indeed incorrect, and Gary&#8217;s right. I was (incorrectly) assuming that the VCs already owned the typical 30% or so. Of course, given that the subject of the story, and the crux of this discussion, is what Abrams could have had done *before* he took the VC dough, I&#8217;m wrong here. So 80% is likely the more correct number to use.</p>
<p><b>Conclusion</b><br />
So, given the data available on the public record, and the reasonable assumptions one can drawn from them, I don&#8217;t believe the math supports the claim that Jonathan Abrams would&#8217;ve been a Google billionaire had he accepted Google&#8217;s offer to acquire Friendster in the fall of 2003 for $30 mm.</p>
<p><b>My best guess</b><br />
80% times $30mm times a missed upside of 6x. At $150 mm, still a hefty sum to have had slip through your fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rivlin</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/10/oh_for_30_million_in_google_stock_circa_2003.php#comment-13273</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Rivlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, bad assumption on your part.  Abrams owned roughly 80 percent of Friendster, not 50 percent.  And whatever Biz Week&#039;s best guess back when, my source -- a Google insider privvy to the negotiations -- said the internal valuation GOOG using back then closer to $2 billion.  Recalculate and you&#039;ll see I erred on the conservative side. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, bad assumption on your part.  Abrams owned roughly 80 percent of Friendster, not 50 percent.  And whatever Biz Week&#8217;s best guess back when, my source &#8212; a Google insider privvy to the negotiations &#8212; said the internal valuation GOOG using back then closer to $2 billion.  Recalculate and you&#8217;ll see I erred on the conservative side. </p>
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		<title>By: Marc Cenedella, TheLadders.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Cenedella, TheLadders.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Times reporter let some sloppy math into his story here...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If a $30 mm buy-out were to be worth $1bn today, that&#039;s a 33x return, or, working backwards from Google&#039;s market cap of $130bn, about $4bn total market cap for Google. If Abrams&#039; stake was 50% or so, then Google&#039;s market cap would have needed to be $2bn in order to make Abrams&#039; missed stake worth $1bn or more. (Actually, even less due to dilution from GOOG&#039;s equity offerings.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Contemporaneous accounts put their valuation at $10 - $25 bn:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2003/tc20031030_7074_tc024.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2003/tc20031030_7074_tc024.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2003/tc20031030_7074_tc024.htm&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;or Abrams&#039; missed stake at $75 - $200 mm maximum based on these numbers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times reporter let some sloppy math into his story here&#8230;</p>
<p>If a $30 mm buy-out were to be worth $1bn today, that&#8217;s a 33x return, or, working backwards from Google&#8217;s market cap of $130bn, about $4bn total market cap for Google. If Abrams&#8217; stake was 50% or so, then Google&#8217;s market cap would have needed to be $2bn in order to make Abrams&#8217; missed stake worth $1bn or more. (Actually, even less due to dilution from GOOG&#8217;s equity offerings.)</p>
<p>Contemporaneous accounts put their valuation at $10 &#8211; $25 bn:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2003/tc20031030_7074_tc024.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2003/tc20031030_7074_tc024.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2003/tc20031030_7074_tc024.htm</a> </p>
<p>or Abrams&#8217; missed stake at $75 &#8211; $200 mm maximum based on these numbers.</p>
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