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	<title>Comments on: Compete &#8211; Can Bill Gross and Co. Answer My Last Question?</title>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/10/compete_-_can_bill_gross_and_co_answer_my_last_question.php#comment-13039</link>
		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like compete so far, in terms of accuracy their stats seem to jibe with what I am seeing in internal logs for some large client sites.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, they need some work on the way they present the data. Check Alexaholic.com for an example of how they ought to be giving the info. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like compete so far, in terms of accuracy their stats seem to jibe with what I am seeing in internal logs for some large client sites.</p>
<p>However, they need some work on the way they present the data. Check Alexaholic.com for an example of how they ought to be giving the info. </p>
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		<title>By: Compete</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/10/compete_-_can_bill_gross_and_co_answer_my_last_question.php#comment-13038</link>
		<dc:creator>Compete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We put a short, but fun 2:43 minute video together to help celebrate and explain the launch of Compete.com… Enjoy!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.compete.com/files/compete_flash/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.compete.com/files/compete_flash/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We put a short, but fun 2:43 minute video together to help celebrate and explain the launch of Compete.com… Enjoy!</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.compete.com/files/compete_flash/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.compete.com/files/compete_flash/</a></p>
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		<title>By: chakpak movies</title>
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		<dc:creator>chakpak movies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not sure what it is. It is a search engine like google. or is it site information finder like alexa. Its confusing. and it doesnt have data on us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure what it is. It is a search engine like google. or is it site information finder like alexa. Its confusing. and it doesnt have data on us.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ Mahony</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ Mahony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comments.  The long tail is very long and it&#039;s a challenge to accurately report on smaller sites.  Compete&#039;s projection base is from 2M users (ISPs, Opt-In panels, Toolbar) which is the largest in the industry, but still can only support strong reporting for the upper tail of the internet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By launching Compete.com we are opening our data and hoping to include more contributors in the exchange - the Compete Toolbar is the community&#039;s vehicle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are excited to open our data to the world, but are also realistic and understand it will be scrutizined and challenged.  From today forward Compete&#039;s user base will grow, the time and rigor we invest in normalizing the data will increase and we&#039;ll work further and further down the tail...  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We would love to hear from you if you have any questions or suggestions.&lt;br /&gt;
membersupport(at)compete(dot)com&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments.  The long tail is very long and it&#8217;s a challenge to accurately report on smaller sites.  Compete&#8217;s projection base is from 2M users (ISPs, Opt-In panels, Toolbar) which is the largest in the industry, but still can only support strong reporting for the upper tail of the internet.</p>
<p>By launching Compete.com we are opening our data and hoping to include more contributors in the exchange &#8211; the Compete Toolbar is the community&#8217;s vehicle.</p>
<p>We are excited to open our data to the world, but are also realistic and understand it will be scrutizined and challenged.  From today forward Compete&#8217;s user base will grow, the time and rigor we invest in normalizing the data will increase and we&#8217;ll work further and further down the tail&#8230;  </p>
<p>We would love to hear from you if you have any questions or suggestions.<br />
membersupport(at)compete(dot)com</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Judi Sohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judi Sohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I checked 3 sites where I know exactly what the traffic is thanks to stat tracking code on each page.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the FAQ, Complete explains why their stats would be different than what shows on a site, using internal log files:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Compete&#039;s definition of &#039;people&#039; is also different compared to traffic reported through common local analytic solutions and traffic log analyzers. Compete measures U.S. consumers, which means we will only count a person once no matter how often he or she visits your site throughout the course of a month. In comparison, local analytic solutions will include domestic and international traffic and often include spiders and bots that appear as traffic, but do not represent actual human activity. Compete&#039;s services do not rely on log files or cookies and therefore do not count this activity as traffic.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So how does Complete explain being as far off as they are (and for the sites I checked they were waaaayyyy off) as compared to perfectly capable stat applications that already filter out international traffic, spiders/bots and repeat visitors? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I found the answer in the FAQ to be quite arrogant (gee, you mean all those &quot;hits&quot; from some guy called &quot;googlebot&quot; weren&#039;t real visitors? Wow, I had no idea...gee, thanks, Compete). Maybe it&#039;s good for larger sites (top 50,000) but for those of us with sites ranked in the 250,000-500,000 ranges I wouldn&#039;t consider Compete a valuable or fair measure at all. Do people really just use these things to compare and analyze monster sites? Seems to be another Alexa-like service that relies on its own toolbar to give information about the surfing habits of people that use the toolbar. Not much more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked 3 sites where I know exactly what the traffic is thanks to stat tracking code on each page.</p>
<p>In the FAQ, Complete explains why their stats would be different than what shows on a site, using internal log files:</p>
<p>&#8220;Compete&#8217;s definition of &#8216;people&#8217; is also different compared to traffic reported through common local analytic solutions and traffic log analyzers. Compete measures U.S. consumers, which means we will only count a person once no matter how often he or she visits your site throughout the course of a month. In comparison, local analytic solutions will include domestic and international traffic and often include spiders and bots that appear as traffic, but do not represent actual human activity. Compete&#8217;s services do not rely on log files or cookies and therefore do not count this activity as traffic.&#8221;</p>
<p>So how does Complete explain being as far off as they are (and for the sites I checked they were waaaayyyy off) as compared to perfectly capable stat applications that already filter out international traffic, spiders/bots and repeat visitors? </p>
<p>I found the answer in the FAQ to be quite arrogant (gee, you mean all those &#8220;hits&#8221; from some guy called &#8220;googlebot&#8221; weren&#8217;t real visitors? Wow, I had no idea&#8230;gee, thanks, Compete). Maybe it&#8217;s good for larger sites (top 50,000) but for those of us with sites ranked in the 250,000-500,000 ranges I wouldn&#8217;t consider Compete a valuable or fair measure at all. Do people really just use these things to compare and analyze monster sites? Seems to be another Alexa-like service that relies on its own toolbar to give information about the surfing habits of people that use the toolbar. Not much more.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/10/compete_-_can_bill_gross_and_co_answer_my_last_question.php#comment-13034</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Read\Write Web has a pretty good breakdown on Compete and where they are getting their stats.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Snip:&lt;br /&gt;
Compete gets its data in the following ways:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;* The Compete toolbar - works very similar to Alexa toolbar, in that &quot;community members&quot; download the toolbar and opt in to share information on the web pages they visit, as well as other marketing data.&lt;br /&gt;
* ISPs&lt;br /&gt;
* Opt-In Panels&lt;br /&gt;
* Application Providers&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read\Write Web has a pretty good breakdown on Compete and where they are getting their stats.</p>
<p>Snip:<br />
Compete gets its data in the following ways:</p>
<p>* The Compete toolbar &#8211; works very similar to Alexa toolbar, in that &#8220;community members&#8221; download the toolbar and opt in to share information on the web pages they visit, as well as other marketing data.<br />
* ISPs<br />
* Opt-In Panels<br />
* Application Providers</p>
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		<title>By: William Strathearn</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/10/compete_-_can_bill_gross_and_co_answer_my_last_question.php#comment-13033</link>
		<dc:creator>William Strathearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow. That&#039;s a whole lot of promises from Compete with zero information about how the stats are collected.  If I were to trust my Kids online experience with Compete&#039;s trust labels, I would want to know a bit more about how they are gathered and summized first... &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That&#8217;s a whole lot of promises from Compete with zero information about how the stats are collected.  If I were to trust my Kids online experience with Compete&#8217;s trust labels, I would want to know a bit more about how they are gathered and summized first&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: ~ SearcH EngineS WeB ~</title>
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		<dc:creator>~ SearcH EngineS WeB ~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is a perfect opportunity for  to compare their traffic estimator with YOUR traffic data...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Comparing THEIR estimation for battellemedia and Federated Media - with the private data only you have available...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How close are they?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;snapshot.compete.com/battellemedia.com/?domain2=http://federatedmedia.net/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
All of the readers with popular sites could offer their input about the accuracy as replies to this Post - allowing for a collection assessment - that would be valuable for everyone&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a perfect opportunity for  to compare their traffic estimator with YOUR traffic data&#8230;</p>
<p>Comparing THEIR estimation for battellemedia and Federated Media &#8211; with the private data only you have available&#8230;</p>
<p>How close are they?</p>
</p>
<p>snapshot.compete.com/battellemedia.com/?domain2=http://federatedmedia.net/</p>
<p>
All of the readers with popular sites could offer their input about the accuracy as replies to this Post &#8211; allowing for a collection assessment &#8211; that would be valuable for everyone</p>
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