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		<title>By: Kathryn Fleming</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13826</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google Image Disambiguator or Google Metadata Maximizer or Google Systems Integrator Spacial or Google Information Systems Data Hal or Goggle Eyed Google Operators Vacationing is not the intention of Google hopefully competitively per se.  Google notices, collects user&#039;s information investigations for purposes relevant.(No let&#039;s not get into Homeland Security Issues) Clips, blurbs, blogs, profiles etc. accumulating at rates byte wised &quot;Tags&quot; are understandably smart by Google.  &quot;Tags&quot; created by users reflect true said knowledge seeking as computer programs, computer engineers reticently proliferate and promote as does harnessing refinement in the computer.  &quot;Tags&quot; shouldn&#039;t be deleted from Google but promoted as this what users want to see.  Competition ex. Yahoo, MSN,  &amp; networks not as giant ed need not de-data incoming users preferences as coursed for long time &quot;dots&quot; or as nothing but processed material will evolve conforming to idolatry of mega monopolized competitor based on financial, marketing terms.  Let&#039;s have Google Metadata Maximizer totally disregard paid websites in when users refine vocabulary.  Not all users are financially credit scored in the 800&#039;s or credit scored at all but these users globally need the information that they seek or why would they go to Google? &quot;Google Free&quot; or &quot;Google Let Freedom Ring&quot; are alternative terms divulging disheartening notices from Google when good &quot;Profiles,&quot; of citizens are cached, hid, or erased. Google should re-structure time limits of Profiles, articles, etc.  Erasing and deleting and I have my 2 good erasers when I write my notes too fat, etc. or decide to write a whole rest note on manuscript paper which I need a new book, nicer pencils, a new memory card(oh I can remember everything...yes) Blank, blank...or there&#039;s Google!  Peace!  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Image Disambiguator or Google Metadata Maximizer or Google Systems Integrator Spacial or Google Information Systems Data Hal or Goggle Eyed Google Operators Vacationing is not the intention of Google hopefully competitively per se.  Google notices, collects user&#8217;s information investigations for purposes relevant.(No let&#8217;s not get into Homeland Security Issues) Clips, blurbs, blogs, profiles etc. accumulating at rates byte wised &#8220;Tags&#8221; are understandably smart by Google.  &#8220;Tags&#8221; created by users reflect true said knowledge seeking as computer programs, computer engineers reticently proliferate and promote as does harnessing refinement in the computer.  &#8220;Tags&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t be deleted from Google but promoted as this what users want to see.  Competition ex. Yahoo, MSN,  &#038; networks not as giant ed need not de-data incoming users preferences as coursed for long time &#8220;dots&#8221; or as nothing but processed material will evolve conforming to idolatry of mega monopolized competitor based on financial, marketing terms.  Let&#8217;s have Google Metadata Maximizer totally disregard paid websites in when users refine vocabulary.  Not all users are financially credit scored in the 800&#8242;s or credit scored at all but these users globally need the information that they seek or why would they go to Google? &#8220;Google Free&#8221; or &#8220;Google Let Freedom Ring&#8221; are alternative terms divulging disheartening notices from Google when good &#8220;Profiles,&#8221; of citizens are cached, hid, or erased. Google should re-structure time limits of Profiles, articles, etc.  Erasing and deleting and I have my 2 good erasers when I write my notes too fat, etc. or decide to write a whole rest note on manuscript paper which I need a new book, nicer pencils, a new memory card(oh I can remember everything&#8230;yes) Blank, blank&#8230;or there&#8217;s Google!  Peace!  </p>
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		<title>By: Seo Rock Blog</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13825</link>
		<dc:creator>Seo Rock Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google trying some human intervention, finally.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google trying some human intervention, finally.</p>
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		<title>By: neuroxik</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13824</link>
		<dc:creator>neuroxik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you guys are too focused on the naming of the product than its actual purpose. Who cares if it&#039;s tags or labels? As long as the underlying engine algorithm calculating the input does a great job. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I read someone mentionning spamming. I don&#039;t think that would be a problem. Google most probably uses a cookie to verify if different users post the same content, (Google uses cookies everywhere), so if only one person spams &quot;Texas Holdem Poker&quot;, then it will not be considered. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At first I was skeptical too. For example, I see a picture of Ron Jeremy, I write Ron Jeremy as a &quot;label&quot;, but my label does not match off-limits&#039; tags such as &quot;man&quot;, therefore no points are earned. But remember, these images will be shot at more people playing the game, and if someone else mentions the label &quot;Ron Jeremy&quot;, then that image will have more value attached to that name than to the more commonly used &quot;man&quot;, because Google is smart. If the image has been exposed to 60 people and 50 labeled it &quot;man&quot; (among other labels), if 5 out of 50 said &quot;Ron Jeremy&quot;, then &quot;Ron Jeremy&quot; will have more power than &quot;man&quot;. This makes no sense? It actually does-- Google knows what are the common words (car, tree, sky, river) and it will focus and specific names and words that are repeated.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys are too focused on the naming of the product than its actual purpose. Who cares if it&#8217;s tags or labels? As long as the underlying engine algorithm calculating the input does a great job. </p>
<p>I read someone mentionning spamming. I don&#8217;t think that would be a problem. Google most probably uses a cookie to verify if different users post the same content, (Google uses cookies everywhere), so if only one person spams &#8220;Texas Holdem Poker&#8221;, then it will not be considered. </p>
<p>At first I was skeptical too. For example, I see a picture of Ron Jeremy, I write Ron Jeremy as a &#8220;label&#8221;, but my label does not match off-limits&#8217; tags such as &#8220;man&#8221;, therefore no points are earned. But remember, these images will be shot at more people playing the game, and if someone else mentions the label &#8220;Ron Jeremy&#8221;, then that image will have more value attached to that name than to the more commonly used &#8220;man&#8221;, because Google is smart. If the image has been exposed to 60 people and 50 labeled it &#8220;man&#8221; (among other labels), if 5 out of 50 said &#8220;Ron Jeremy&#8221;, then &#8220;Ron Jeremy&#8221; will have more power than &#8220;man&#8221;. This makes no sense? It actually does&#8211; Google knows what are the common words (car, tree, sky, river) and it will focus and specific names and words that are repeated.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13823</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe: Someone who uses the word &quot;hoo-hah&quot; is a &quot;stuffy type&quot;?  Oy vey.. go back and study your Yiddish.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John: And when did Photoshop Album come out?  2003?  The word &quot;label&quot;, used in the machine learning community to mean an annotation for an object, such as an image, still predates Adobe by at least 25 years, if not more.  Adobe, much less Flickr, did not even exist in the mid-70s.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Face it, &quot;tag&quot; is a recent re-invention.  &quot;Label&quot; is the historically correct term.  Google has it right on this one.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: Someone who uses the word &#8220;hoo-hah&#8221; is a &#8220;stuffy type&#8221;?  Oy vey.. go back and study your Yiddish.</p>
<p>John: And when did Photoshop Album come out?  2003?  The word &#8220;label&#8221;, used in the machine learning community to mean an annotation for an object, such as an image, still predates Adobe by at least 25 years, if not more.  Adobe, much less Flickr, did not even exist in the mid-70s.  </p>
<p>Face it, &#8220;tag&#8221; is a recent re-invention.  &#8220;Label&#8221; is the historically correct term.  Google has it right on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13822</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Tag&quot; was used long before Flickr... Try Adobe Photoshop Album. That functionality now is in Adobe Photoshop Elements.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tag&#8221; was used long before Flickr&#8230; Try Adobe Photoshop Album. That functionality now is in Adobe Photoshop Elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Taekwondo Andy</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13821</link>
		<dc:creator>Taekwondo Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google have historically done well at improving on what others are already doing. To try and change it could be a bad move for them (they&#039;ve made quite a few recently - GoogleVideo anyone?)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google have historically done well at improving on what others are already doing. To try and change it could be a bad move for them (they&#8217;ve made quite a few recently &#8211; GoogleVideo anyone?)</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Hurst</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13820</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMHO, tags are a mess - perhaps Google shares that opinion. Majority doesn&#039;t mean right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, tags are a mess &#8211; perhaps Google shares that opinion. Majority doesn&#8217;t mean right.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13819</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Likely the PM is one of those stuffy types who uses words like &quot;Hoo-Haw&quot; to describe nascent technology she&#039;s failed to comprehend ..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likely the PM is one of those stuffy types who uses words like &#8220;Hoo-Haw&#8221; to describe nascent technology she&#8217;s failed to comprehend ..</p>
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		<title>By: dumbfounder</title>
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		<dc:creator>dumbfounder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The general public understands the term label but I have found they don&#039;t understand tagging right away. But I still think ego is a factor with this nomenclature choice. Tagging is what it is, just get onboard already.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The general public understands the term label but I have found they don&#8217;t understand tagging right away. But I still think ego is a factor with this nomenclature choice. Tagging is what it is, just get onboard already.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/09/google_image_disambiguator.php#comment-13817</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tudor writes:  &lt;i&gt;No, wo don&#039;t tag we label.. we are google, we are unique :)  Very smart.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fantomaster writes: &lt;i&gt;Full agreement on the &quot;tags&quot; contention - they&#039;re not labels, so why call them such? Isn&#039;t that the kind of we-are-so-special-we-will-do-what-we-like-never-mind-the-standards attitude that once made Microsoft one of the best hated companies on earth within the Web techie community?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look, I do not work at Google, so my guess is as good as any, I suppose.  But I have to disagree with most of you who have commented here.  The overwhelming consensus seems to be that Google is doing something new by using the word &quot;label&quot; instead of &quot;tag&quot;.  How wrong that viewpoint is!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you look at the field of machine learning, which has many of its roots in AI, you will see that there has long been classification of machine learning algorithms into two approaches: &quot;supervised&quot; and &quot;unsupervised&quot;.  The difference between the two comes down to whether or not there is &lt;i&gt;labeled&lt;/i&gt; training data on which an algorithm can base its inferences.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Machine learning itself has been around longer than Google has existed.  The word &quot;label&quot; to mean some sort of keyword  associated with an object has been used in the machine learning community for quite some time, and definitely predates all this Web 2.0 &quot;tag&quot; hoo-hah.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, if you look at Google, you will realize that they hire a whole lotta machine learning PhDs.  It is therefore only natural that folks with that experience would choose the word with both historical precedent as well as current active usage in the literature.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe in the Web 2.0 world, &quot;tag&quot; predates &quot;label&quot;.  But that is one of the big problems I have with Web 2.0..they are just inventing the wheel all over again, and have no clue as to what went on before.  Web 2.0 does not predate Machine Learning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For that matter, don&#039;t even get me started on the word &quot;folksonomy&quot;.  Thirty years ago there were debates in the information retrieval community about manual vs. automatic indexing (i.e. searching documents by using either human labels (&quot;tags&quot;) or full-text content).  And within the manual indexing area there were debates about constrained versus unconstrained vocabularies.  A constrained vocabulary is a taxonomy.  Wanna guess what an unconstrained vocabulary is?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Tags&quot; and &quot;folksonomies&quot; are nothing more than unconstrained vocabulary, manual indexing.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, who really knows why Google chose to use the word &quot;label&quot; instead of &quot;tag&quot;.  But by so doing they are actually returning to historical roots, rather than jumping on some bandwagon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tudor writes:  <i>No, wo don&#8217;t tag we label.. we are google, we are unique <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Very smart.</i></p>
<p>Fantomaster writes: <i>Full agreement on the &#8220;tags&#8221; contention &#8211; they&#8217;re not labels, so why call them such? Isn&#8217;t that the kind of we-are-so-special-we-will-do-what-we-like-never-mind-the-standards attitude that once made Microsoft one of the best hated companies on earth within the Web techie community?</i></p>
<p>Look, I do not work at Google, so my guess is as good as any, I suppose.  But I have to disagree with most of you who have commented here.  The overwhelming consensus seems to be that Google is doing something new by using the word &#8220;label&#8221; instead of &#8220;tag&#8221;.  How wrong that viewpoint is!</p>
<p>If you look at the field of machine learning, which has many of its roots in AI, you will see that there has long been classification of machine learning algorithms into two approaches: &#8220;supervised&#8221; and &#8220;unsupervised&#8221;.  The difference between the two comes down to whether or not there is <i>labeled</i> training data on which an algorithm can base its inferences.  </p>
<p>Machine learning itself has been around longer than Google has existed.  The word &#8220;label&#8221; to mean some sort of keyword  associated with an object has been used in the machine learning community for quite some time, and definitely predates all this Web 2.0 &#8220;tag&#8221; hoo-hah.  </p>
<p>Now, if you look at Google, you will realize that they hire a whole lotta machine learning PhDs.  It is therefore only natural that folks with that experience would choose the word with both historical precedent as well as current active usage in the literature.  </p>
<p>Maybe in the Web 2.0 world, &#8220;tag&#8221; predates &#8220;label&#8221;.  But that is one of the big problems I have with Web 2.0..they are just inventing the wheel all over again, and have no clue as to what went on before.  Web 2.0 does not predate Machine Learning.</p>
<p>For that matter, don&#8217;t even get me started on the word &#8220;folksonomy&#8221;.  Thirty years ago there were debates in the information retrieval community about manual vs. automatic indexing (i.e. searching documents by using either human labels (&#8220;tags&#8221;) or full-text content).  And within the manual indexing area there were debates about constrained versus unconstrained vocabularies.  A constrained vocabulary is a taxonomy.  Wanna guess what an unconstrained vocabulary is?</p>
<p>&#8220;Tags&#8221; and &#8220;folksonomies&#8221; are nothing more than unconstrained vocabulary, manual indexing.  </p>
<p>So, who really knows why Google chose to use the word &#8220;label&#8221; instead of &#8220;tag&#8221;.  But by so doing they are actually returning to historical roots, rather than jumping on some bandwagon.</p>
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