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	<title>Comments on: Yow. Brin Waffles on China</title>
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		<title>By: Axure</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/06/yow_brin_waffles_on_china.php#comment-15197</link>
		<dc:creator>Axure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Philipp Lenssen&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, so if google.com is accessible most of the time and it is not censored, then there&#039;s no problem with censorship at all, for 90% of the time, right? The more I think the whole hype is pointless.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides, if you need to kick someone&#039;s ass, do it to the ones that are responsible for censorship in the first place - the Chinese government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Philipp Lenssen<br />
Ok, so if google.com is accessible most of the time and it is not censored, then there&#8217;s no problem with censorship at all, for 90% of the time, right? The more I think the whole hype is pointless.</p>
<p>Besides, if you need to kick someone&#8217;s ass, do it to the ones that are responsible for censorship in the first place &#8211; the Chinese government.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Scruggs</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/06/yow_brin_waffles_on_china.php#comment-15196</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Scruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Further muddying the waters... My wife is Chinese and is in China right now. For the last week or so she hasn&#039;t been able to access her Gmail account from Zhengzhou (central China). I believe it&#039;s still accesssible from Shanghai. As a stopgap she created a Hotmail account, which is still accessible.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further muddying the waters&#8230; My wife is Chinese and is in China right now. For the last week or so she hasn&#8217;t been able to access her Gmail account from Zhengzhou (central China). I believe it&#8217;s still accesssible from Shanghai. As a stopgap she created a Hotmail account, which is still accessible.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Scruggs</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/06/yow_brin_waffles_on_china.php#comment-15195</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Scruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.askderekscruggs.com/response-to-jeff-jarvis-the-china-problem.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The perfect is the enemy of the good.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.askderekscruggs.com/response-to-jeff-jarvis-the-china-problem.html" rel="nofollow">The perfect is the enemy of the good.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philipp Lenssen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipp Lenssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt; either Chinese people will have access&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; to the best search engine in the world&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; (although somehow limited) or not at all. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wrong. Google.com, by Google&#039;s own estimates, was up 90% of the time for users from China.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> either Chinese people will have access<br />
> to the best search engine in the world<br />
> (although somehow limited) or not at all. </p>
<p>Wrong. Google.com, by Google&#8217;s own estimates, was up 90% of the time for users from China.</p>
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		<title>By: Axure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t understand what&#039;s all this &quot;bad Google&quot; discussion about. To me it&#039;s clear: the Chinese government has full control of the main network nodes (routers or sth) in their country so they can ban virtually any IP address they want (including proxies). So they can tell any company, including Google: either you comply with our demands or you won&#039;t be seen in China. So the choice for Google is very clear: either Chinese people will have access to the best search engine in the world (although somehow limited) or not at all. There&#039;s no &quot;do no evil&quot; option, it&#039;s just less evil. In my opinion it is god-damn-clear that it&#039;s better for those poor people to have at least censored Google than no Google at all. (And at least Google tells on their search results page whether it was censored, while others don&#039;t, as far as I know.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now you can run into details, like some smart kids using proxies, but you have to remember that most people don&#039;t know how to use proxies, and that proxies can be blocked too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s all this &#8220;bad Google&#8221; discussion about. To me it&#8217;s clear: the Chinese government has full control of the main network nodes (routers or sth) in their country so they can ban virtually any IP address they want (including proxies). So they can tell any company, including Google: either you comply with our demands or you won&#8217;t be seen in China. So the choice for Google is very clear: either Chinese people will have access to the best search engine in the world (although somehow limited) or not at all. There&#8217;s no &#8220;do no evil&#8221; option, it&#8217;s just less evil. In my opinion it is god-damn-clear that it&#8217;s better for those poor people to have at least censored Google than no Google at all. (And at least Google tells on their search results page whether it was censored, while others don&#8217;t, as far as I know.)</p>
<p>Now you can run into details, like some smart kids using proxies, but you have to remember that most people don&#8217;t know how to use proxies, and that proxies can be blocked too.</p>
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		<title>By: China Snippets</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/06/yow_brin_waffles_on_china.php#comment-15192</link>
		<dc:creator>China Snippets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whether Google will do something different sounds nice but I doubt it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To do business in China results in compromising with the government and in Google&#039;s case it means omitting politically sensitive information. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Over the last couple of days I noticed that Google.com and gmail.com had some outages but that can be due to a number of reasons. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It could be intentional to drive people to the .cn version, it could be a hick-up in the firewall, it could be the pipes, it could even be China Telecom.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More interesting to read is that Brin mentioned &quot;..virtually all the company&#039;s customers in China use the non-censored service.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is that out of habit? &lt;br /&gt;
Is it because Google.com is the default search engine in the browser? &lt;br /&gt;
Is it because customers want to search for something &quot;bad&quot;? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Answers to these questions could be rather useful to help in deciding the &#039;something different&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But besides all this, the main questions is this. What happens if Google decides to pull out, cancel google.cn.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My guess is nothing will happen. Well nothing, it&#039;s likely google.com will be less accessible or maybe blocked totally as the Government will feel frustrated by the fact that the Google guys don&#039;t play along. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chinese customers may not be happy, discuss it even but in the end they are used to sudden changes and will move their searches to baidu and yahoo or use proxies if they are internet savvy enough.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not so long ago they changed their name to Guge to chinafy their operation here. I actually translated their introduction song and in my view it showed a lack of understanding as nobody was waiting for that. Why change the name of a brand that all internet users in China are familiar with?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Right now they are sending mixed signals, as noted by John, which shows that internally in Google the views are not yet on the same page.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It could be, but that&#039;s my speculation, that part of the deal of chinafying Google.cn (Guge.cn) is that the Government has promised to leave Google.com alone. (Although that doesn&#039;t imply one can find everything in Google.com as certain sensitive searches are blocked there anyway and freeze the page for some minutes)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the moment, keeping both sites in place, sounds like the best way forward and one can only hope that the .com will stay accesible&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether Google will do something different sounds nice but I doubt it.</p>
<p>To do business in China results in compromising with the government and in Google&#8217;s case it means omitting politically sensitive information. </p>
<p>Over the last couple of days I noticed that Google.com and gmail.com had some outages but that can be due to a number of reasons. </p>
<p>It could be intentional to drive people to the .cn version, it could be a hick-up in the firewall, it could be the pipes, it could even be China Telecom.</p>
<p>More interesting to read is that Brin mentioned &#8220;..virtually all the company&#8217;s customers in China use the non-censored service.&#8221; </p>
<p>Is that out of habit? <br />
Is it because Google.com is the default search engine in the browser? <br />
Is it because customers want to search for something &#8220;bad&#8221;? </p>
<p>Answers to these questions could be rather useful to help in deciding the &#8216;something different&#8221;.</p>
<p>But besides all this, the main questions is this. What happens if Google decides to pull out, cancel google.cn.</p>
<p>My guess is nothing will happen. Well nothing, it&#8217;s likely google.com will be less accessible or maybe blocked totally as the Government will feel frustrated by the fact that the Google guys don&#8217;t play along. </p>
<p>Chinese customers may not be happy, discuss it even but in the end they are used to sudden changes and will move their searches to baidu and yahoo or use proxies if they are internet savvy enough.  </p>
<p>Not so long ago they changed their name to Guge to chinafy their operation here. I actually translated their introduction song and in my view it showed a lack of understanding as nobody was waiting for that. Why change the name of a brand that all internet users in China are familiar with?</p>
<p>Right now they are sending mixed signals, as noted by John, which shows that internally in Google the views are not yet on the same page.</p>
<p>It could be, but that&#8217;s my speculation, that part of the deal of chinafying Google.cn (Guge.cn) is that the Government has promised to leave Google.com alone. (Although that doesn&#8217;t imply one can find everything in Google.com as certain sensitive searches are blocked there anyway and freeze the page for some minutes)</p>
<p>For the moment, keeping both sites in place, sounds like the best way forward and one can only hope that the .com will stay accesible</p>
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		<title>By: KING TROLL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KING TROLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 04:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FIRST!!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I got a question John. I own multiple apparel stores. I have a great local brand name. Should I get a tagline? My brother suggests no, because our name is good enough. How important is a tagline? Google doesnt have one, Nike does. What should I do?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FIRST!!!</p>
<p>I got a question John. I own multiple apparel stores. I have a great local brand name. Should I get a tagline? My brother suggests no, because our name is good enough. How important is a tagline? Google doesnt have one, Nike does. What should I do?</p>
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		<title>By: SEARCH ENGINES Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEARCH ENGINES Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 04:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The young Web surfers are probably savy enough to know that they can use anyone of the dozens of &lt;b&gt;FREE ONLINE ANONYMOUS PROXIES&lt;/b&gt; available for surfing....and of course - some META Search engines still encompass  or default to the google.com SERPs...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Surely, Brin, Page, Schmidt also were aware of the many &quot;loopholes&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It was an extremely difficult decision to wrestle with.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The young Web surfers are probably savy enough to know that they can use anyone of the dozens of <b>FREE ONLINE ANONYMOUS PROXIES</b> available for surfing&#8230;.and of course &#8211; some META Search engines still encompass  or default to the google.com SERPs&#8230;</p>
<p>Surely, Brin, Page, Schmidt also were aware of the many &#8220;loopholes&#8221;.</p>
<p>It was an extremely difficult decision to wrestle with.</p>
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