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		<title>By: Gerome</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/01/oooo_i_like_this_idea.php#comment-18264</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn&#039;t the new Alexa API have a demo that did song searches based on whistling?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes it is: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the new Alexa API have a demo that did song searches based on whistling?</p>
<p>Yes it is: <a href="http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: rod edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>rod edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn&#039;t the new Alexa API have a demo that did song searches based on whistling?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ah ha - is this it?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the new Alexa API have a demo that did song searches based on whistling?</p>
<p>Ah ha &#8211; is this it?<br />
<a href="http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.musipedia.org/whistle.0.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/01/oooo_i_like_this_idea.php#comment-18262</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, it is completely in japanese, so not a lot of people (myself included) have read it. After that, probably the most well-known work is a 1997 paper from the New Zealand Digital Library project. Here is the paper:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;old input, but very interesting. i must smile, if you compare may 1997 and today ;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Andre&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it is completely in japanese, so not a lot of people (myself included) have read it. After that, probably the most well-known work is a 1997 paper from the New Zealand Digital Library project. Here is the paper:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html</a></p>
<p>old input, but very interesting. i must smile, if you compare may 1997 and today <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/01/oooo_i_like_this_idea.php#comment-18261</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There have been three comments above asking about QBH (query by humming), for music retrieval applications.  The first paper that I know of that talks about this is a 1993 paper:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tetsuya Kageyama, Kazuhiro Mochizuki, and Yosuke Takashima: Melody Retrieval with Humming, Proceedings of the 1993 International Computer Music Conference, pp.349-351, September 1993.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, it is completely in japanese, so not a lot of people (myself included) have read it.  After that, probably the most well-known work is a 1997 paper from the New Zealand Digital Library project.  Here is the paper:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sadl.uleth.ca/nz/cgi-bin/music/musiclibrary?e=p-dp-or-000-00---0folkfull--00-0-0-0prompt-10---4------0-1l--10-en--50-1-m---20-about-0---00001-0001-1-0utfZz-8-0&amp;a=p&amp;p=query&amp;mt=m&amp;q=&amp;mq=&amp;premq=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website&lt;/a&gt; with the implementation (java required).  Note (pun not intended) that input can be either by piano keyboard or hummed audio.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since that time there has been an explosion of such systems.  This list is large, but I can think offhand of a few systems it misses:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mirsystems.info/index.php?id=402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mirsystems.info/index.php?id=402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mirsystems.info/index.php?id=402&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But other than that.. why limit your imagination to query by humming?  There are so many different ways of doing content-based music retrieval.  How about query by tapping for rhythm retrieval?  How about query by genre for finding new music in the same style as music you already like?  How about query by instrument timbre, so that you can find other songs that use that driving guitar you really like?  Or query by vocal timbre, so you can find that Paul Weller song in which Paul McCartney sings backup, largely uncredited in most metadata sources available?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is so much cool stuff being done right now in this area.  The community has largely moved beyond query by humming onto more ambitious research and projects.  Check it out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.music-ir.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.music-ir.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.music-ir.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been three comments above asking about QBH (query by humming), for music retrieval applications.  The first paper that I know of that talks about this is a 1993 paper:</p>
<p>Tetsuya Kageyama, Kazuhiro Mochizuki, and Yosuke Takashima: Melody Retrieval with Humming, Proceedings of the 1993 International Computer Music Conference, pp.349-351, September 1993.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it is completely in japanese, so not a lot of people (myself included) have read it.  After that, probably the most well-known work is a 1997 paper from the New Zealand Digital Library project.  Here is the paper:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dlib.org/dlib/may97/meldex/05witten.html</a></p>
<p>And here is a <a href="http://www.sadl.uleth.ca/nz/cgi-bin/music/musiclibrary?e=p-dp-or-000-00---0folkfull--00-0-0-0prompt-10---4------0-1l--10-en--50-1-m---20-about-0---00001-0001-1-0utfZz-8-0&#038;a=p&#038;p=query&#038;mt=m&#038;q=&#038;mq=&#038;premq=" rel="nofollow">website</a> with the implementation (java required).  Note (pun not intended) that input can be either by piano keyboard or hummed audio.</p>
<p>Since that time there has been an explosion of such systems.  This list is large, but I can think offhand of a few systems it misses:</p>
<p><a href="http://mirsystems.info/index.php?id=402" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://mirsystems.info/index.php?id=402" rel="nofollow">http://mirsystems.info/index.php?id=402</a></p>
<p>But other than that.. why limit your imagination to query by humming?  There are so many different ways of doing content-based music retrieval.  How about query by tapping for rhythm retrieval?  How about query by genre for finding new music in the same style as music you already like?  How about query by instrument timbre, so that you can find other songs that use that driving guitar you really like?  Or query by vocal timbre, so you can find that Paul Weller song in which Paul McCartney sings backup, largely uncredited in most metadata sources available?  </p>
<p>There is so much cool stuff being done right now in this area.  The community has largely moved beyond query by humming onto more ambitious research and projects.  Check it out: <a href="http://www.music-ir.org/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.music-ir.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.music-ir.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: gerben</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/01/oooo_i_like_this_idea.php#comment-18260</link>
		<dc:creator>gerben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is very cool. I drew a tree-like figure and it found a few. I&#039;ve always wanted a music search that allows me to hum a part of a melody and then it will find the song. Anyone ever seen one of those?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No, sorry :(&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very cool. I drew a tree-like figure and it found a few. I&#8217;ve always wanted a music search that allows me to hum a part of a melody and then it will find the song. Anyone ever seen one of those?</p>
<p>No, sorry <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: billkruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>billkruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My attempts at recreating Sowa&#039;s flying pig sadly came to naught. Perhaps this system needs some contemporary (well, some even more contemporary) cyber-Vettriano to give it its own identity!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BB&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My attempts at recreating Sowa&#8217;s flying pig sadly came to naught. Perhaps this system needs some contemporary (well, some even more contemporary) cyber-Vettriano to give it its own identity!</p>
<p>BB</p>
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		<title>By: odp</title>
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		<dc:creator>odp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;In a way, I see retrievr less as a &quot;search&quot; tool than an &quot;exploration&quot; tool, and it seems to work very well for that.&quot; of course, if you use it for this, it works very well. a interesting article Chris.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a way, I see retrievr less as a &#8220;search&#8221; tool than an &#8220;exploration&#8221; tool, and it seems to work very well for that.&#8221; of course, if you use it for this, it works very well. a interesting article Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Langreiter</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2006/01/oooo_i_like_this_idea.php#comment-18257</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Langreiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Greg is (as usual) spot on - &quot;Fast Multiresolution Image Querying&quot; is the paper that guided the implementation (which is, by the way, one of my all-time favourites, and recommended reading for anyone with only a passing interest in image retrieval).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I first came across it when someone (I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Edd Dumbill&lt;/a&gt;) linked to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imgseek.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;imgSeek&lt;/a&gt; a couple of years back; imgSeek is a standalone image management application that incorporates the same algorithm. retrievr is a new implementation in pure &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.python.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Python&lt;/a&gt; (plus a host of great libraries: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PIL&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://effbot.org/zone/draw-agg.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;aggdraw&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;numarray&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my experience, the results are usually fairly good, sometimes even stunning - considering the artistic sophistication most of us are able to come up with (gallery forthcoming); and in the cases they&#039;re not so stellar, they are at least entertaining ;-) But clearly, the approach has its limits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One thing to keep in mind is that it doesn&#039;t do object/face/text recognition of any kind, so if you&#039;re drawing an outline sketch of a chair (or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.researchbuzz.org/2005/12/searching_flickr_by_drawing_a.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;corporate logos&lt;/a&gt; like Tara Calishain has tried), it almost certainly won&#039;t get you one back (except your index only contains images of chairs). It helps to think of it as matching the most pronounced slabs of colors. Another thing to know is that there&#039;s currently no way to specify the aspect ratio, so you have to rescale the image in your head (things that are close to the borders of the image you&#039;re thinking of should be close to the borders of your sketches), but that&#039;s really just a missing feature of the drawing flashlet than an inherent problem. Sometimes it also helps to _remove_ detail instead of adding it. And finally, the index covers only about 85k of Flickr&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;most interesting&quot;&lt;/a&gt; images at the moment (I didn&#039;t want to use up even more of their resources before checking back with them; it&#039;s fantastic enough that Flickr isn&#039;t imposing any up-front limits on API usage like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most everyone else&lt;/a&gt; is doing).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In a way, I see retrievr less as a &quot;search&quot; tool than an &quot;exploration&quot; tool, and it seems to work very well for that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg is (as usual) spot on &#8211; &#8220;Fast Multiresolution Image Querying&#8221; is the paper that guided the implementation (which is, by the way, one of my all-time favourites, and recommended reading for anyone with only a passing interest in image retrieval).</p>
<p>I first came across it when someone (I think <a href="http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog" rel="nofollow">Edd Dumbill</a>) linked to <a href="http://www.imgseek.net" rel="nofollow">imgSeek</a> a couple of years back; imgSeek is a standalone image management application that incorporates the same algorithm. retrievr is a new implementation in pure <a href="http://www.python.org" rel="nofollow">Python</a> (plus a host of great libraries: <a href="http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/" rel="nofollow">PIL</a>, <a href="http://effbot.org/zone/draw-agg.htm" rel="nofollow">aggdraw</a> and <a href="http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray" rel="nofollow">numarray</a>).</p>
<p>In my experience, the results are usually fairly good, sometimes even stunning &#8211; considering the artistic sophistication most of us are able to come up with (gallery forthcoming); and in the cases they&#8217;re not so stellar, they are at least entertaining <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  But clearly, the approach has its limits.</p>
<p>One thing to keep in mind is that it doesn&#8217;t do object/face/text recognition of any kind, so if you&#8217;re drawing an outline sketch of a chair (or <a href="http://www.researchbuzz.org/2005/12/searching_flickr_by_drawing_a.shtml" rel="nofollow">corporate logos</a> like Tara Calishain has tried), it almost certainly won&#8217;t get you one back (except your index only contains images of chairs). It helps to think of it as matching the most pronounced slabs of colors. Another thing to know is that there&#8217;s currently no way to specify the aspect ratio, so you have to rescale the image in your head (things that are close to the borders of the image you&#8217;re thinking of should be close to the borders of your sketches), but that&#8217;s really just a missing feature of the drawing flashlet than an inherent problem. Sometimes it also helps to _remove_ detail instead of adding it. And finally, the index covers only about 85k of Flickr&#8217;s <a href="http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;most interesting&#8221;</a> images at the moment (I didn&#8217;t want to use up even more of their resources before checking back with them; it&#8217;s fantastic enough that Flickr isn&#8217;t imposing any up-front limits on API usage like <a href="http://www.google.com" rel="nofollow">most everyone else</a> is doing).</p>
<p>In a way, I see retrievr less as a &#8220;search&#8221; tool than an &#8220;exploration&#8221; tool, and it seems to work very well for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Slashdoc Beta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slashdoc Beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure what this means, but I drew a circle and it gave me about 20 pictures of women.  Hmm :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the idea is good, would also be cool if somebody did something similar for music/sound.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what this means, but I drew a circle and it gave me about 20 pictures of women.  Hmm <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think the idea is good, would also be cool if somebody did something similar for music/sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for appreciating the concept (initial idea and development by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.langreiter.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;), we&#039;ve added some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.systemone.at/en/company/labs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;background info&lt;/a&gt;. This is also the place to watch when we release our blog post similarity demo in a few weeks, which should be more useful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for appreciating the concept (initial idea and development by <a href="http://www.langreiter.com" rel="nofollow">Chris</a>), we&#8217;ve added some <a href="http://www.systemone.at/en/company/labs/" rel="nofollow">background info</a>. This is also the place to watch when we release our blog post similarity demo in a few weeks, which should be more useful.</p>
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