Comments on: Core Principles

By: Andi

Andi — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:11:04 +0000

>>>Is that why he was held in concentration camps?

No, dropped his support for Hitler early in the regime. But you are proving my point.

Greg Andrew asserted that I was the first to invoke Hitler, but no I was not. Matt Baldwin quoted Niemöller in an effort to paint me as as Nazi.

I am well schooled in history and American history in particular, I am an American and will fight to the death to protect our freedoms. If you have a problem with that I do doubt your loyalties.

I was born into a family of Democrats and voted for Clinton and Gore. Most of my positions are left of center, pro choice, pro stem cell research, pro gay marriage, pro evolution, and on and on. But the Democratic party is no longer allowing dissent in their ranks and are throwing their lot in with those who would appease the Islamofascists. To hell with them.

Do you recall Godwin's Law?

By: aaron wall

aaron wall — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:09:56 +0000

>Niemöller WAS a Nazi and supported Hitler

Is that why he was held in concentration camps?

By: Andi

Andi — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:12:01 +0000

Greg, it was cute to parrot my post that way but your thinking represents the worst kind of polarization.

Niemöller WAS a Nazi and supported Hitler.

http://www.hoboes.com/html/FireBlade/Politics/niemoller.shtml

By: Greg Andrew

Greg Andrew — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:57:34 +0000

Andi, as a Jew and as an American and a person of reason, I deeply resent your characterization of Matt’s post as a comparison with “a Nazi purge.” No one who reads Matt’s post could possibly interpret it that way, so I assume you must have some other motive for your attack on him. Matt did not “involve Hitler” – he did not even mention Hitler. Your implication that he did is is reckless and insulting. and the tactics of your post are underhanded and dangerous. Niemöller’s words are, of course, not about the Jews and aren’t even meant to imply just the Holocause; they are about every nation in every time where men have stood by and let others be the victims of tyranny. The quotation has been justifiably used in many different situations, and few of those situations resemble Europe under the Nazis. Those who threaten liberty are only rarely Nazi-like, and some even have good intentions in their own way, but that does not mean that our liberty is not threatened and that we are not on the very same path that Niemöller described. You may not realize it, but you are clearly anti-American and would like to see our nation weakened by the removal of the very liberties that make America the great country that it is. I for one will fight for America against people like you who , knowingly or not, seek to sabotage this country by using threats from the rest of the world as an excuse to destroy what this country is all about.

By: Bozo the Cop

Bozo the Cop — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:13:07 +0000

Hey you! No ticket–no ride. Get off the bus. Every one else has a ticket and you don’t. Off the bus lady.

By: oldfox

oldfox — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:03:48 +0000

Of course she has to show her pass, which is her receipt for the service. If people won’t show their ticket when asked then they have no right to ride. Isn’t that obvious?

By: Andi

Andi — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:47:23 +0000

Security will continually relax until a serious breach causes an over-reaction, the history of security is always written in blood or lost treasure. The old 'horse out of the barn' cliché.

Unfortunately this is human nature it has been repeated many times in many places and will always be the case, especially when a generation passes between catastrophes.

But remember this: Every war in American history (save the Gulf War, 1991) has seen a curtailment of rights greater than we have now and **freedom has always recovered.**

Americans fight for freedom, it's what we do damnit! opps, I mean darnit.

By: Markus

Markus — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:16:16 +0000

Jeffrey says: "American identification cards are so inconsistent and are so easy to fake that it cannot possibly serve any legitimate national security interest to check them in this fashion."

we in germany hear every time that the americans are hyper sensitive in aspect with security. and every 2nd word is ... "you can fake it easy" ... but why can you fake all so easy? what is secure today, if i read the comments?

greets
Markus

By: can_I_search_that_engine?

can_I_search_that_engine? — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:31:59 +0000

We all can (and should) go back and forth on the merits of incrementally stepping up state control over previously assumed rights, driven by a heightened state of security. However, IMHO, this is the kind of "slippery slope risk" to human rights that needs to be vetted through open protest and debate. Exposure of these situations bring clarity and visibility to things that should not be left to misinterpretation. Claiming this to be an illegitimate argument misses the point and does nobody a service.

You can be on one side or the other, but to suggest we suppress the debate is the most dangerous and repressive thing I can think of.

By: justin flavin

justin flavin — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:15:24 +0000

in France , Belgium and few other places in Europe, you have to show your ID card on demand, if the cops request it.

i dont see a problem with that. i really dont. I mean, Belgium hasnt exactly turned into a proto-fascist state just because you have to carry your ID card around.