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		<title>By: jaslor</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23241</link>
		<dc:creator>jaslor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Paying the Bills&quot; - IMHO is not neutral, it does imply that clicking will help you pay them and elicits sympathy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why should google grok your whole blog and what it is about especially as you are new user. This would seem real costly? Unless you deserve special treament?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Appealing to authority by grassing someone else up, d&#039;oh, c&#039;mon man - you called them on this and they are obligated to check it out, this is beyond obvious.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seems like you got a lot of responses pretty quick that helped you deal with the issue at hand. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I will be intersted in your analysis when you have collated more data but this analysis strikes me as a little bit petulant, as they say: &quot;get over yourself&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
I am only dissapointed in this article because of your usual excellence so keep up the good work.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Paying the Bills&#8221; &#8211; IMHO is not neutral, it does imply that clicking will help you pay them and elicits sympathy.</p>
<p>Why should google grok your whole blog and what it is about especially as you are new user. This would seem real costly? Unless you deserve special treament?</p>
<p>Appealing to authority by grassing someone else up, d&#8217;oh, c&#8217;mon man &#8211; you called them on this and they are obligated to check it out, this is beyond obvious.</p>
<p>Seems like you got a lot of responses pretty quick that helped you deal with the issue at hand. </p>
<p>I will be intersted in your analysis when you have collated more data but this analysis strikes me as a little bit petulant, as they say: &#8220;get over yourself&#8221;.<br />
I am only dissapointed in this article because of your usual excellence so keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea de Groot</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23240</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea de Groot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whoa, coming back to followup on a comment I left almost two years ago! Thats something I haven&#039;t done before!&lt;br /&gt;
I &lt;a href=&quot;http://battellemedia.com/archives/000874.php#comment_4364&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt; that I wasn&#039;t seeing ads on a site but hadn&#039;t bothered asking Google for help.&lt;br /&gt;
Eventually I did - I got what seemed to be a human response and a quick fix; the ads started flowing again straight away :)&lt;br /&gt;
Sometimes they are human!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, coming back to followup on a comment I left almost two years ago! Thats something I haven&#8217;t done before!<br />
I <a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/000874.php#comment_4364" rel="nofollow">said</a> that I wasn&#8217;t seeing ads on a site but hadn&#8217;t bothered asking Google for help.<br />
Eventually I did &#8211; I got what seemed to be a human response and a quick fix; the ads started flowing again straight away <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />
Sometimes they are human!</p>
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		<title>By: drjon</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23239</link>
		<dc:creator>drjon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 06:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alternatively, cakesy, you could consider that if Google&#039;s AdSense Police are going to come crashing down on John, it&#039;s hardly an &quot;inflated sense of ego&quot; to want them to A) have a look at what they&#039;re crashing down upon, and B) listen to what John was saying in response, as opposed to unleasing a &#039;bot on him. Your criticism is unwarranted and immature.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alternatively, cakesy, you could consider that if Google&#8217;s AdSense Police are going to come crashing down on John, it&#8217;s hardly an &#8220;inflated sense of ego&#8221; to want them to A) have a look at what they&#8217;re crashing down upon, and B) listen to what John was saying in response, as opposed to unleasing a &#8216;bot on him. Your criticism is unwarranted and immature.</p>
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		<title>By: cakesy</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23238</link>
		<dc:creator>cakesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are kidding? You think that google should make it self intimately aware of what your site is? What an inflated sense of ego you have. Firstly, why? They provide advertising on your site, nothing more. Secondly, how could they even conceivably do this with any reasonable number of sites, without hiring 100s of people just for this? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then you report someone else who was erring, and get upset when they say they will follow this up?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am sorry, your emails and arguments to google appear at the level of a school yard argument. Google stated there rules - whether you like them or not, they make them and they are not that unreasonable. But you feel that they should change them for you?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I myself haven&#039;t read your blog before, so I don&#039;t know your site that well either - but unless you are a teenager, you really have no excuse for this mindless exchange.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are plenty of things wrong with google, this is not one of them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are kidding? You think that google should make it self intimately aware of what your site is? What an inflated sense of ego you have. Firstly, why? They provide advertising on your site, nothing more. Secondly, how could they even conceivably do this with any reasonable number of sites, without hiring 100s of people just for this? </p>
<p>Then you report someone else who was erring, and get upset when they say they will follow this up?</p>
<p>I am sorry, your emails and arguments to google appear at the level of a school yard argument. Google stated there rules &#8211; whether you like them or not, they make them and they are not that unreasonable. But you feel that they should change them for you?</p>
<p>I myself haven&#8217;t read your blog before, so I don&#8217;t know your site that well either &#8211; but unless you are a teenager, you really have no excuse for this mindless exchange.</p>
<p>There are plenty of things wrong with google, this is not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Thilak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thilak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google did the same thing with me. I had earned 308 $ without cheating and at 28 th April 2006 (2 days before sending the cheque), They supspended me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I feel that this is the way google does it with smalltime publishers&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google did the same thing with me. I had earned 308 $ without cheating and at 28 th April 2006 (2 days before sending the cheque), They supspended me.</p>
<p>I feel that this is the way google does it with smalltime publishers</p>
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		<title>By: magnus</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23236</link>
		<dc:creator>magnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. i feel like specifying:&lt;br /&gt;
in fact i had not read the ToS at all initially, otherwise i wouldn&#039;t have used the line &quot;click here to generate € for shifz&quot; - which was intended as a joke. i did not expect a single visitor to obey this. i hope this is obvious to any non-bot who happens to visit my page(s).&lt;br /&gt;
but, actually, unlike in john&#039;s case, they didn&#039;t give that as a specific reason, but rather ominously hinted at invalid clicks that might be generated by blah, blah. that&#039;s when i read the ToS and felt silly for my naive use of irony. so far so &quot;good&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
but of the three examples in their mail the gave like three examples of &quot;invalid click activity&quot;, number one of which blows my mind. &quot;- a publisher on his own web pages&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
i thought i had two good reasons to click ads on my page.&lt;br /&gt;
#1 plain curiosity. #2 genuine interest! as mentioned in above posting i did buy stuff from advertisers on my page. that&#039;s not allowed? come on!&lt;br /&gt;
what i don&#039;t understand at all about this: if google detect those clicks - why don&#039;t they just not NOT count them?&lt;br /&gt;
besides their machinic reply to my reply, and their attitude of &quot;If Google decides to evaluate your appeal, &quot;(!), that&#039;s one more reason why I don&#039;t want to continue this relationship.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. i feel like specifying:<br />
in fact i had not read the ToS at all initially, otherwise i wouldn&#8217;t have used the line &#8220;click here to generate € for shifz&#8221; &#8211; which was intended as a joke. i did not expect a single visitor to obey this. i hope this is obvious to any non-bot who happens to visit my page(s).<br />
but, actually, unlike in john&#8217;s case, they didn&#8217;t give that as a specific reason, but rather ominously hinted at invalid clicks that might be generated by blah, blah. that&#8217;s when i read the ToS and felt silly for my naive use of irony. so far so &#8220;good&#8221;.<br />
but of the three examples in their mail the gave like three examples of &#8220;invalid click activity&#8221;, number one of which blows my mind. &#8220;- a publisher on his own web pages&#8221;<br />
i thought i had two good reasons to click ads on my page.<br />
#1 plain curiosity. #2 genuine interest! as mentioned in above posting i did buy stuff from advertisers on my page. that&#8217;s not allowed? come on!<br />
what i don&#8217;t understand at all about this: if google detect those clicks &#8211; why don&#8217;t they just not NOT count them?<br />
besides their machinic reply to my reply, and their attitude of &#8220;If Google decides to evaluate your appeal, &#8220;(!), that&#8217;s one more reason why I don&#8217;t want to continue this relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: magnus</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23235</link>
		<dc:creator>magnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;over the weekend i reconsidered appealing google kicking me from adsense for &quot;invalid clicks&quot; - (was it that i bought magnets from an advertiser on my page or like in john&#039;s case a line reading &quot;click here..&quot; [i had not read the ToS closely]? they did not specify)&lt;br /&gt;
there&#039;s too much pissing me off in their robotic way to tell me and answer my first reply ..&lt;br /&gt;
as i read this thread i realize i am not the only one being cheated by adsense this way.&lt;br /&gt;
not that i feel like cryin over about 60 bucks accumulated over 2-3 months, what really makes me mad how i am being accused of wrongdoings by an algorithm that understands nothing of me or my site.&lt;br /&gt;
i actually started an appeals-email (which i&#039;m not going to send), in which i humiliated myself to give possible reasons for their misjudgement!&lt;br /&gt;
screw adsense: half of their ads weren&#039;t contextual anyway (but e.g. about cheating adsense professionally, can you believe it!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over the weekend i reconsidered appealing google kicking me from adsense for &#8220;invalid clicks&#8221; &#8211; (was it that i bought magnets from an advertiser on my page or like in john&#8217;s case a line reading &#8220;click here..&#8221; [i had not read the ToS closely]? they did not specify)<br />
there&#8217;s too much pissing me off in their robotic way to tell me and answer my first reply ..<br />
as i read this thread i realize i am not the only one being cheated by adsense this way.<br />
not that i feel like cryin over about 60 bucks accumulated over 2-3 months, what really makes me mad how i am being accused of wrongdoings by an algorithm that understands nothing of me or my site.<br />
i actually started an appeals-email (which i&#8217;m not going to send), in which i humiliated myself to give possible reasons for their misjudgement!<br />
screw adsense: half of their ads weren&#8217;t contextual anyway (but e.g. about cheating adsense professionally, can you believe it!)</p>
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		<title>By: AdSense Sucks</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23234</link>
		<dc:creator>AdSense Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google burned me good with AdSense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I had been running their contextual text links on a half dozen of my sites.. after I had earned about $400, they sent me an &quot;invalid clicks&quot; email which looked like it wasn&#039;t even written by a human. I had no idea what they were talking about, and I promptly asked what was up, and nicely offered to fix the problem.. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They ignored my responses and I never did see the money. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would suggest that folks avoid AdSense like the plague. I searched around about this &quot;invalid clicks&quot; issue, and it seems to happen to a lot of people, and it always seems to happen when it&#039;s getting close to payout time. Maybe this is part of a plan to increase their margins? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve since swapped out all my CPC Google AdSense ads with CPA ads from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.azoogleads.com/az/new/agreement.php?i=5487&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AzoogleAds&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;m making WAY more money with them, and the checks show up on time every month when they&#039;re supposed to. No lame excuses or reps hiding under their desks. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have earned over $200,000 USD lifetime with them, and I&#039;ve been paid on time every time. I would strongly suggest that folks check them out, and stop running Google AdSense ads on your sites before you get burned too. It seems to be standard protocol. It&#039;s quite unpleasant to drive in thousands of legitimate clicks over the course of a few months for an advertiser, and then get screwed by them when it comes time for them to square up. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d also like to mention that I&#039;m NOT an employee of AzoogleAds, nor am I trying to just spam their name out. I have had great personal experiences with them, and I think they&#039;re a rock solid Internet marketing agency. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...and they&#039;ve never burned me like Google AdSense did.. even on 5 figure checks. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Two Thumbs Up! &lt;br /&gt;
Whammy&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google burned me good with AdSense.</p>
<p>I had been running their contextual text links on a half dozen of my sites.. after I had earned about $400, they sent me an &#8220;invalid clicks&#8221; email which looked like it wasn&#8217;t even written by a human. I had no idea what they were talking about, and I promptly asked what was up, and nicely offered to fix the problem.. </p>
<p>They ignored my responses and I never did see the money. </p>
<p>I would suggest that folks avoid AdSense like the plague. I searched around about this &#8220;invalid clicks&#8221; issue, and it seems to happen to a lot of people, and it always seems to happen when it&#8217;s getting close to payout time. Maybe this is part of a plan to increase their margins? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve since swapped out all my CPC Google AdSense ads with CPA ads from <a href="http://www.azoogleads.com/az/new/agreement.php?i=5487" rel="nofollow">AzoogleAds</a>. I&#8217;m making WAY more money with them, and the checks show up on time every month when they&#8217;re supposed to. No lame excuses or reps hiding under their desks. </p>
<p>I have earned over $200,000 USD lifetime with them, and I&#8217;ve been paid on time every time. I would strongly suggest that folks check them out, and stop running Google AdSense ads on your sites before you get burned too. It seems to be standard protocol. It&#8217;s quite unpleasant to drive in thousands of legitimate clicks over the course of a few months for an advertiser, and then get screwed by them when it comes time for them to square up. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to mention that I&#8217;m NOT an employee of AzoogleAds, nor am I trying to just spam their name out. I have had great personal experiences with them, and I think they&#8217;re a rock solid Internet marketing agency. </p>
<p>&#8230;and they&#8217;ve never burned me like Google AdSense did.. even on 5 figure checks. </p>
<p>Two Thumbs Up! <br />
Whammy</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I tried adsense and they quickly shut me down with no explanantion, no recoruse and no check. They represent the best and the worst of the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only thing I can figure out that happened is that I clicked on some of the links. I mean my site is about something that interests me. So if Adsense works correctly the ads should interest me as well? Am I not a legitimate consumer? I certainly understand if one click on links just to get revenue , but because one has a legitimate interest? Come on. I e-mailed them several times and all I get are canned responses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my personal opinion Adsense is a great technolgy that is very poorly administered. They are making too much money from it to care one bit about customer service...to the publishers. Try any other service possible and avoid adsense at all costs!! I am trying CrispAds right now and the nice thing is that I have e-mailed a real person with a real e-mail address.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried adsense and they quickly shut me down with no explanantion, no recoruse and no check. They represent the best and the worst of the web.</p>
<p>The only thing I can figure out that happened is that I clicked on some of the links. I mean my site is about something that interests me. So if Adsense works correctly the ads should interest me as well? Am I not a legitimate consumer? I certainly understand if one click on links just to get revenue , but because one has a legitimate interest? Come on. I e-mailed them several times and all I get are canned responses.</p>
<p>In my personal opinion Adsense is a great technolgy that is very poorly administered. They are making too much money from it to care one bit about customer service&#8230;to the publishers. Try any other service possible and avoid adsense at all costs!! I am trying CrispAds right now and the nice thing is that I have e-mailed a real person with a real e-mail address.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack Lynch</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/09/my_first_day_with_adsense_battelle_gets_busted.php#comment-23232</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This discussion should be &quot;Dilbertized&quot;...Especially, McFox&#039;s comment...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion should be &#8220;Dilbertized&#8221;&#8230;Especially, McFox&#8217;s comment&#8230;</p>
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