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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft: Built From Scratch, The Interface Migrates to the Web</title>
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		<title>By: Dan100</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/04/microsoft_built_from_scratch_the_interface_migrates_to_the_web.php#comment-24322</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But why is the OS significant when it comes to web apps? I can already e-mail, shop, get maps, blog, chat, read RSS, search, and maintain a server-side archive all through one simple and secure program that looks, handles and works the same on Windows, Linux, or Mac OS - Firefox.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why is the OS significant when it comes to web apps? I can already e-mail, shop, get maps, blog, chat, read RSS, search, and maintain a server-side archive all through one simple and secure program that looks, handles and works the same on Windows, Linux, or Mac OS &#8211; Firefox.</p>
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		<title>By: hulkster</title>
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		<dc:creator>hulkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2004 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s something REALLY REALLY easy for you to suggest Microsoft fix - quit stripping trailing &quot;/&#039;s&quot; from URL pathnames that should be there in your search results!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I.e. trying doing a search for &quot;hulkmobile&quot; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.msn.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://search.msn.com/&lt;/a&gt; and look at the entries for &quot;Alek&#039;s Hulk Car&quot; ... note that the target URL is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.komar.org/hulk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.komar.org/hulk&lt;/a&gt; ... WITHOUT the trailing / ... but if you surf there, the web server has to do the right thing FOR you and redirects with the trailing / ... &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The search engine should really show the correct URL (with the trailing /) and this is such a simple thing that Microsoft should get it right ... on the other hand, Yahoo makes the same mistake!   ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google, no surprise, does do the right thing ...&lt;br /&gt;
alek&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something REALLY REALLY easy for you to suggest Microsoft fix &#8211; quit stripping trailing &#8220;/&#8217;s&#8221; from URL pathnames that should be there in your search results!</p>
<p>I.e. trying doing a search for &#8220;hulkmobile&#8221; on <a href="http://search.msn.com/" rel="nofollow">http://search.msn.com/</a> and look at the entries for &#8220;Alek&#8217;s Hulk Car&#8221; &#8230; note that the target URL is <a href="http://www.komar.org/hulk" rel="nofollow">http://www.komar.org/hulk</a> &#8230; WITHOUT the trailing / &#8230; but if you surf there, the web server has to do the right thing FOR you and redirects with the trailing / &#8230; </p>
<p>The search engine should really show the correct URL (with the trailing /) and this is such a simple thing that Microsoft should get it right &#8230; on the other hand, Yahoo makes the same mistake!   <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Google, no surprise, does do the right thing &#8230;<br />
alek</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bailey</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/04/microsoft_built_from_scratch_the_interface_migrates_to_the_web.php#comment-24320</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m interested in the idea that applications are migrating to a Web browser platform. (If I&#039;ve read correctly you forsee for the directions on the OS platform idea.) For the last 4-5 years, almost everything our company has built has had a Web interface. Our latest product is built on top of .NET, and the rich client UI that this affords. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our experience has been that the ability to innovate and deliver new UI facilities rapidly through a Web browser (which Web browser for a start) is much more constrained than it is on a client desktop environment. Not that impressive UI cannot be delivered through a Web browser - the new Web front end to Exchange looks scarily like Outlook. But I suspect that most of the important lessons about how the UI should work were determined from years of building and improving Outlook first on the PC. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, there is a middle ground, where services are available from a network through a Web services interface API, and the client interface can be built either using Web browser technologies or as a thin client. The customers can then choose which interface they prefer. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with John&#039;s remark on the increasing dependence on network connectivity for everyday applications. The other day, our internal VPN failed (for no apparent reason) meaning my Outlook couldn&#039;t communicate with our Exchange server, located in our other office. Everything else worked just fine on the Web, even the Web interface to Exchange interestingly. Had the entire connection failed however, I would have needed offline versions of information to be available to do any work whatsoever. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In an old job of mine inside a computer science department, you could always tell who was really dependent on the network by the rapidity with which people would start clustering around the system admins when network connections went down for some reason. For some of us, it was usually within a couple of minutes :-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in the idea that applications are migrating to a Web browser platform. (If I&#8217;ve read correctly you forsee for the directions on the OS platform idea.) For the last 4-5 years, almost everything our company has built has had a Web interface. Our latest product is built on top of .NET, and the rich client UI that this affords. </p>
<p>Our experience has been that the ability to innovate and deliver new UI facilities rapidly through a Web browser (which Web browser for a start) is much more constrained than it is on a client desktop environment. Not that impressive UI cannot be delivered through a Web browser &#8211; the new Web front end to Exchange looks scarily like Outlook. But I suspect that most of the important lessons about how the UI should work were determined from years of building and improving Outlook first on the PC. </p>
<p>Of course, there is a middle ground, where services are available from a network through a Web services interface API, and the client interface can be built either using Web browser technologies or as a thin client. The customers can then choose which interface they prefer. </p>
<p>I agree with John&#8217;s remark on the increasing dependence on network connectivity for everyday applications. The other day, our internal VPN failed (for no apparent reason) meaning my Outlook couldn&#8217;t communicate with our Exchange server, located in our other office. Everything else worked just fine on the Web, even the Web interface to Exchange interestingly. Had the entire connection failed however, I would have needed offline versions of information to be available to do any work whatsoever. </p>
<p>In an old job of mine inside a computer science department, you could always tell who was really dependent on the network by the rapidity with which people would start clustering around the system admins when network connections went down for some reason. For some of us, it was usually within a couple of minutes <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://battellemedia.com/archives/2004/04/microsoft_built_from_scratch_the_interface_migrates_to_the_web.php#comment-24319</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, the whole division knows about RSS now. (I did a presentation to them today on that topic). One thing is they are quick learners if they find something that they need to know about.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;pb: agreed, but look at the Tablet PC, Media Center, OneNote. More coming.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the whole division knows about RSS now. (I did a presentation to them today on that topic). One thing is they are quick learners if they find something that they need to know about.</p>
<p>pb: agreed, but look at the Tablet PC, Media Center, OneNote. More coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Want to make a good search engine? Start indexing more pages, start showing relevant results, stop charging (bcentral) $90 freakin lousy dollars for ONE page to be indexed by b crappy central every 48 hours, google indexes my page at least every 48 hours FOR FREE, this guy didn&#039;t know what RSS is but he works for msn? hmmmmm maybe they should consider hiring some new staff... &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;just a thought&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to make a good search engine? Start indexing more pages, start showing relevant results, stop charging (bcentral) $90 freakin lousy dollars for ONE page to be indexed by b crappy central every 48 hours, google indexes my page at least every 48 hours FOR FREE, this guy didn&#8217;t know what RSS is but he works for msn? hmmmmm maybe they should consider hiring some new staff&#8230; </p>
<p>just a thought</p>
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		<title>By: pb</title>
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		<dc:creator>pb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Microsoft emphatically does not see the future being about networks and servers. Sit through a Longhorn presentation and you&#039;ll understand that they are in the midst of an all out assault to bring computing back to the PC client.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, Microsoft has a miserable track record of creating desirable products and services. Virtually all of the progress they make in new product categories owes itself to Windows and Office. Xbox, Expedia and SQL Server are fairly impressive. But Windows CE, Windows Media, Windows Media Center, MSN, all of Microsoft search, Mactopia, Microsoft Money, bCentral, etc. are lousy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft emphatically does not see the future being about networks and servers. Sit through a Longhorn presentation and you&#8217;ll understand that they are in the midst of an all out assault to bring computing back to the PC client.</p>
<p>Also, Microsoft has a miserable track record of creating desirable products and services. Virtually all of the progress they make in new product categories owes itself to Windows and Office. Xbox, Expedia and SQL Server are fairly impressive. But Windows CE, Windows Media, Windows Media Center, MSN, all of Microsoft search, Mactopia, Microsoft Money, bCentral, etc. are lousy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the report. Hope you emjoyed you&#039;re time up here in Seattle. :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;JKP&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the report. Hope you emjoyed you&#8217;re time up here in Seattle. <img src='http://battellemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>JKP</p>
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